TWF locks out Single weapon fighting and visa versa

[Pilgrim1]

So, I read and was aware that single weapon fighting and two hand weapon fighting were mutually exclusive, but no where did i see that claimed that single weapon fighting and two weapon fighting were also mutually exclusive.

This was quite a shock to discover mid LR on a toon that I wanted to have both stiles available to. Right now that toon is parked at lvl 3 in the reincarnation grove while i try to figure out how to scavenge it.

So let this be an announcement to those that don't know this: TWF and SWF are mutually exclusive.

[FlaviusMaximus]

Thanks for the info.

Pokes a hole in Druid animal form plans, doesn't it?

[Munkenmo]

Thanks for the info.

Pokes a hole in Druid animal form plans, doesn't it?

Yep back to 2wf and natural fighting I go.

[Dreppo]

Are they mutually exclusive in that you can't take both SWF and TWF feats on a given character, or are they mutually exclusive in that you can't benefit from both SWF and TWF feats at the same time?

[unbongwah]

Yeah, this was mentioned in the Lama forums after the last or next-to-last patch before go-live, I think. Apparently there was a *cough* work-around using rgr's free TWF feats; but I didn't check to see if it also works on live.

[Pilgrim1]

Are they mutually exclusive in that you can't take both SWF and TWF feats on a given character, or are they mutually exclusive in that you can't benefit from both SWF and TWF feats at the same time?

you can not have the on the same toon, picking up one locks the other out of being able to take it.

[Nayus]

Thanks for the info.

Pokes a hole in Druid animal form plans, doesn't it?

It specifically says you can't Swashbuckle in animal form.

[thegreatneil]

It specifically says you can't Swashbuckle in animal form.

SWF =/= Swashbuckling

[01000010]

It specifically says you can't Swashbuckle in animal form.

Swf and swashbuckling not same thing, swf is feat line any class can use.

[Nightmanis]

It specifically says you can't Swashbuckle in animal form.

All swashbucklers are SWFighters. But not all SWFighters are Swashbucklers

[unbongwah]

All swashbucklers are SWFighters.

Actually, that's not entirely true, either; you could make a thrower-based Swashbuckler, in which case the SWF feats do nothing for you. Not saying that's a good idea, particularly when the SWF feats are so deliciously OP (for now), but it is an option.

For that matter, my TWF pure bard just spent 11 APs on SB, which was enough to add a few pts of Dodge, Blow by Blow, Deflect Arrows, Uncanny Dodge, and Fast Movement (if it's WAI, I'm now as fast as a pure monk). It appears Coup de Grace doesn't require Swashbuckling to be active, but I'd need to spend a lot of filler AP to get it.

[Blackheartox]

Actually, that's not entirely true, either; you could make a thrower-based Swashbuckler, in which case the SWF feats do nothing for you. Not saying that's a good idea, particularly when the SWF feats are so deliciously OP (for now), but it is an option.

For that matter, my TWF pure bard just spent 11 APs on SB, which was enough to add a few pts of Dodge, Blow by Blow, Deflect Arrows, Uncanny Dodge, and Fast Movement (if it's WAI, I'm now as fast as a pure monk). It appears Coup de Grace doesn't require Swashbuckling to be active, but I'd need to spend a lot of filler AP to get it.

They give you throwing speed.

Bdw, not only is 2weapon fight locked out but also 2handed fight, basically no 2weapon druids and no dwarven axe aoe 1 weapon users.
Good way to fix it a bit

[PermaBanned]

Thanks for the info.

Pokes a hole in Druid animal form plans, doesn't it?

Why did you think SWF would work for animal form? Afaik, animal form has always equated Unarmed which is boosted by TWF.

[thegreatneil]

They give you throwing speed.

Bdw, not only is 2weapon fight locked out but also 2handed fight, basically no 2weapon druids and no dwarven axe aoe 1 weapon users.
Good way to fix it a bit

Dwarven axes, b swords anf the three stars get glancing blows of 20%. the feats just increase the amount.
They still get the glancing damage SWFing.

As for 2weapons druids....(REMOVED)

[GreataxeUser]

1 a = Print "It is not a shock to me that they did not think about this!" a=b
5 Run If b = a then goto 10
10 Tunnel vision since beta.
20 Goto 10
30 End.

[MangLord]

I think it's fair, and prevents blatant exploitation of game mechanics. Other than that, if you have enough feats to spend on two different fighting styles, you're probably not spending your feats wisely. Even a fighter has more than enough options to never dabble in another fighting style.

[Munkenmo]

Why did you think SWF would work for animal form? Afaik, animal form has always equated Unarmed which is boosted by TWF.

Because it was possible to get the double stat mod, off hand procs and natural fighting for a while.

[Lonnbeimnech]

take 9 druid levels and the swf line then take 11 ranger levels and get twf autogranted.

[goodspeed]

Actually, that's not entirely true, either; you could make a thrower-based Swashbuckler, in which case the SWF feats do nothing for you. Not saying that's a good idea, particularly when the SWF feats are so deliciously OP (for now), but it is an option.

For that matter, my TWF pure bard just spent 11 APs on SB, which was enough to add a few pts of Dodge, Blow by Blow, Deflect Arrows, Uncanny Dodge, and Fast Movement (if it's WAI, I'm now as fast as a pure monk). It appears Coup de Grace doesn't require Swashbuckling to be active, but I'd need to spend a lot of filler AP to get it.

ya the speed of that thing with the dmg output is really, really up there. (no shield) And its not even an ed thing lol. Id say its got a bit though before anything is changed. They're to busy with the armor stuff right now.

[01000010]

take 9 druid levels and the swf line then take 11 ranger levels and get twf autogranted.

Pretty obvious, lol. Switch outta form and manyshot, does suck no div might or monk lvls.

If they copout and make it so rangers cant swf as a way to stop this build ill lmao.

I suppose going 6 ranger and adding a couple lvl monk or cler/fvs for div might is an option too, might just be more overall dps either way.

I might try 13druid/6ranger/1fvs