Value of EVO feats

[Pehtis]

I'm currently levelling an ice sorc wf who is level 18 atm (first life). I took both EVO feats and got evo dc weapon. What I've noticed throughout is that trash mobs still reflex save majority of the time.

What I'm reading is at higher levels it appears mobs will just reflex save no matter what. If ths is the case are the EVO feats of much value ?

These are the feats taken.

Toughness
Maximise
Empower
Heighten
Quicken
Spell Focus Evocation
Greater Spell Focus Evocation


I intend to continue levelling this toon through epics. Would I get better value if I chose enchant feats instead.

What other feats is recommended (e.g, Force of Personality)?

[Enoach]

I think the question you still need to answer is how far off is your Evocation DC.

What you have not mentioned is what is your current Evocation DC.

Also are you utilizing debuffs to help such as solid fog which gives you a -5 Reflex save?

Reason I bring this up, is if your DCs are only off a little bit then the Feats are helpful, but if you are way off then you are right maybe other feats would be more beneficial. But I imagine if you look towards debuffs it is very likely you have the DCs you need.

[cru121]

Evocation Focus II is ML5 with cannith crafting and masterful craftsmanship.
If you're serious about evoking, get Evocation Focus IV on Sage's Locket (ML15) from Wheloon and stacking +1 Evo yellow augment from Gianthold.

[Blackheartox]

Depends on mob, those with evasion in high end content, for example assains in wgu on ee, or archers in horns will close to always save, even if you go full evocation feats mode aka 3 sorc plifes, wizzy plife, 3 evoc twisted max char, completionst top gear.
Success rate is quite low for that content and you might have issues while leveling to 28 with random evasion mobs til you hit maxed gear.
I mean, you can go evoc feats, they do help, but on those things and several others, you will barely or close to never land evoc spells even with full dedication.
If you look forward to that content, options are to group with druid who hopefully has the magister 10 reflex debuf twisted ,with that debuff and yours it will be quite reliable.
But that requires a duo partner who will play a druid with the named twist.
What i did in my sorc life /was pure/, you can if you want follow this advice but some might disagree with me, swap to enchant focus instead.

That way you get a focus on will save which is quite lower in most content, issues with will save is casters/random mobs with super high will, but luckily those come in small numbers so you can use 1 targer cc on them like power words/iressistable. And then you can nuke them down prety fast and easy.
Why im saying this is simple, i played a druid and messed around with reflex in most content, you realy depend on mass debuffing to make it viable vs high evasion mobs.
Dont remember right, but when i was druid i had with debuffs included a bit over 90 dc for quake /which they saved on occasion, so thats main reason i suggest people to drop evoc feats since sorc cant achieve those numbers
And a masshold energy burst combo feels so good

[Lonnbeimnech]

At later levels you can get +2 evocation dc from draconic 'precise eveocation' and another +3 from magister 'eveocation specialist', and a 15% chance to give the mob a penalty of 10 to their reflex save from magister 'evocation augmentation'. You can get up to a +6 evocation DC item from thunderforged weapons, and slot another +2 from evocation ruby augment. Wear a +11 cha item and +1 exceptional and +3 insightful. etc etc, point is you CAN get to a good evocation DC that works most of the time in the highest difficulty.

But part of being a caster is knowing which spell to use. So for example if you are fighting assassins or archers, they have evasion and pretty good reflex saves, so attacking one of their other saves is easier. such as disintegrate, greater shout, mass hold monster, soundburst from exalted angel. Or using a spell that has no save, such as polar ray, or magic missiles.

[Lonnbeimnech]

i suggest people to drop evoc feats since sorc cant achieve those numbers

But if you don't take them you cant take +2 from draconic or +3 from magister, so now you are 8 points behind on evoc and even non evasion mobs will be passing their saves and that means a 50% loss of dps.

[Blackheartox]

But if you don't take them you cant take +2 from draconic or +3 from magister, so now you are 8 points behind on evoc and even non evasion mobs will be passing their saves and that means a 50% loss of dps.

Why would you twist evo from magister? Twist in enchant, fully drop evoc line.
Try a enchant focued sorc, i can assure you that you will be surprised

They wont save if they are held, its more secure to play with disco/holds/webs, and you finish quests way faster anyways with that approach.
Played both, was impresed by enchant focused, was frustrated by evoc focused.
I also do have "everything", from gear to plifes and i did play evo focused correct, its just that enchant is realy powerful atm on sorc and is the safer approach/with higer efficiency.

On my list the value of evoc feats is rather low for a sorc /i know it sound silly, but thats what my experience told me

[cru121]

Depends on OP's ambitions and the intended epic difficulty setting. For a warforged first lifer, I would not expect to jump straight into EEs.

[Blackheartox]

Depends on OP's ambitions and the intended epic difficulty setting. For a warforged first lifer, I would not expect to jump straight into EEs.

On a first lifer for en/eh hmm.
No idea how evoc works there tbh.
Il assume uhm, no idea realy have no experience with first lifer in eh/en content.
Il guess evoc feats might have higher value there, would still go for enchant myself.
If their reflex save is low, can assume will is extremely low then

[Vanhooger]

The answer is easy:

Eroic: good

Epic N,H: good

EE: junk if not a proper spec evo Druid with all debuffs and gear + pl

As a sorc if you want to play EE drop any evo feats and pick up Ench line. Hold/burst, hold/dragon breath, hold/delayed blast fireball or whatever aoe. Power word stun, otto, web. Energy drain, banshee to add neg lvl faster and drop lot of hp on EE mob.

[knockcocker]

Why would you twist evo from magister? Twist in enchant, fully drop evoc line.
Try a enchant focued sorc, i can assure you that you will be surprised

They wont save if they are held, its more secure to play with disco/holds/webs, and you finish quests way faster anyways with that approach.
Played both, was impresed by enchant focused, was frustrated by evoc focused.
I also do have "everything", from gear to plifes and i did play evo focused correct, its just that enchant is realy powerful atm on sorc and is the safer approach/with higer efficiency.

On my list the value of evoc feats is rather low for a sorc /i know it sound silly, but thats what my experience told me

Mostly agree with this. I TR'ed to Drow (from WF); I have 4 Sorc PLs and 3 Wiz PLs. The DC difference from
going drow (+3 Evocation/+4 Enchant) is *very* noticeable.

I didn't tank evo focus though - still took two evoc. feats but I worked on enchant as a secondary. Evocation is
still my bread and butter. Enchantment can be less predictable when mobs have SR - fortunately not many after
MotU level quests do. It's also not great against undead.

Without pastlives I'd probably go all out out evocation but the -4 will would be very noticeable. People wonder
why Shiradi is popular...

[Pehtis]

I think the question you still need to answer is how far off is your Evocation DC.

What you have not mentioned is what is your current Evocation DC.

Also are you utilizing debuffs to help such as solid fog which gives you a -5 Reflex save?

Reason I bring this up, is if your DCs are only off a little bit then the Feats are helpful, but if you are way off then you are right maybe other feats would be more beneficial. But I imagine if you look towards debuffs it is very likely you have the DCs you need.

Currently my warforge ice sorc it level 18 and has 32 Charisma (16 base, +4 level up, +2 Tome, +4 tree enhancement, +6 item). I don't have access to Guild buffs on Argo but when I ever do I guess you can add +2 cha. I have EvoII weapon that adds +2DC.

Being on a new server this toon is getting whatever gear it can find or buy at AH. Therefore it remains a work in progress as I don't have access to the best available gear as yet. I'll find out soon enough when I start to run epics how gimped or otherwise this sorc may be.

I just wanted feedback on the usefulness of the Evo Feats. What Evo DC should I be aiming at?








FYI - I do have other toons on Ghallanda server but no Nukers at epic levels. I have Wizard PM, CC Bard, and Cleric at epic levels. However none of them use EVO spells much. I am well aware how strong my WF Necro Wiz and Drow CC Bard can be (all first life), even at EE. I am on Argo server playing different builds.