End of the Week with Produktion Malphunktion- Spring cleaning edition

[-Zephyr-]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...fficial/page11

Almost a year old thread and you dont know about it?

That thread is the 4th highest viewed thread in the General DDO discussion, two years younger than the most recent thread that has more views. It should say something.

[Wizza]

I've never understood comments like this.

Noticed.

If your only motivation for running a quest is loot or xp/min, then elite is not for you. Elite difficulty is for those of us that appreciate the challenge and are capable of handling it. We don't need any other special snowflake rewards. It's a mindset. Plenty of people have the capacity for greatness; not all of them have the motivation.

Challenge without proper reward = not fun. Not hard to understand.

For fun? Take a look at how much "fun" EE Haunted Halls, Temple, and Fire Dragon Raids have been after the first half a dozen or so runs. All the loot has already been extracted from these quests just by running normal. If you think this is good game design, then its a shame.

What Cetus said. How many EE HH you see on your servers nowdays? The answer is: 1. Per day. Maybe. You will notice a tons more on Normal or Hard. Why? Because it's faster and loot is the same as the elite version.

You are keeping killing our reasons to run EE. Nice job eh.

Not just that

- More COVs
- More XP
- Better drop rates
- More favor

It's hard to take people seriously that claim they are getting no more than EN. People run on the hardest difficulty they can handle. When people say there needs to be more EE incentive it means they want 5 people to be motivated to carry them through the quest. People are already running on EE if they can handle it.

I totally need 5 people to carry me through a quest.

More XP: lol. By the time I do an EE quest, I can do 2 or even 3x EN quests. So nop, not more XP.
Better drop rates: right. Because a 3% increase is so much more. Not noticeable. And again, by the time I do an EE quest, I can do 3x EN quests so nop, no better drop rates.
More Favor: I can do a quest on Heroic Elite and it gives the same favor as Epic Elite. Unless the quest is only Epic, which there are really a handful of them.
More COVs: again, by the time I finish an EE quest, I can do 3x EN quests so doesn't matter.

[Nibor]

Because I never see it. Because this is not a complaint that has reached my ears from the forums, or customer service in a while.

I don't report it any more because I was under the impression you were well aware it existed. I'm quite surprised to see you think it's been fixed, and that's where some of the communication fails - no one said it's fixed, we all assume you *know* it's still broken, but you think it's fixed.

Here's some information that may help, although you should already be on this track because of the very common "Use SSDs and the problem goes away" sentiment.
During loading, something is timing out and proceeding even though all the necessary things aren't loaded. Then the game client fires up but doesn't connect to the game server and never tries to, and eventually the "i'm not connected" timeout happens and the game exits. The entire time that's going on, the game is still loading whatever it's loading - I can see the hard drive grinding away.
A hint to help reproduce this - I run into this constantly on a system I play on that uses an encrypted drive, which is of course much slower for loading up things. And it also runs some other memory-intensive applications, so in-between game sessions the game is pushed out of cache completely. End result, I see this problem on that system every time, and I watch the HDD grind away during the whole mess. When the game is loading and the HDD stops spinning away, then I know the load will be successful.

[Madja]

Thats because turbine forgot to nerf ee xp on von3, I didnt see this before, I might start running it on ee now.
Check every other quest and see differences.
Von5=Epic XP: ?53,295 ?55,005 ??*56,715

It might just be that the wiki isn't updated. I rarely run the quest, so I can't really remember

You do a get a hefty bonus when you do an elite quest for the first time - up to 150% I believe?
So if they seperated heroic and epic quest completions it might help on the XP issue.
You wouldn't get it when doing repeated eTRs, but I guess that could be solved by doing the occasional heroic TR.

[GMoneyMackDaddy]

Awesome!

Love the communication.
Love the transparency.
Love the bug fixes.

Great post!

But the best thing he said......

Go Bruins!!!

[Ivan_Milic]

It might just be that the wiki isn't updated. I rarely run the quest, so I can't really remember

You do a get a hefty bonus when you do an elite quest for the first time - up to 150% I believe?
So if they seperated heroic and epic quest completions it might help on the XP issue.
You wouldn't get it when doing repeated eTRs, but I guess that could be solved by doing the occasional heroic TR.

Bb helps you only on your first etr, after that ee xp is pretty much the same as en/eh which is stupid when comparing difficulty.
If they separated it still would be only good on first etr, after that all diffs will give you same amount of xp unless you run eh or en first time.

[Ivan_Milic]

Noticed.
More COVs: again, by the time I finish an EE quest, I can do 3x EN quests so doesn't matter.

Actually if you get 20% xp penalty for repeating, no covs, so this statement is not true.

[Ivan_Milic]

That thread is the 4th highest viewed thread in the General DDO discussion, two years younger than the most recent thread that has more views. It should say something.

Yep, that they either dont play the game, dont read the forums, dont care, or all together.

[Ovrad]

Actually if you get 20% xp penalty for repeating, no covs, so this statement is not true.

The statement is fine, it said quests. Not 3 times the same one.

[jakeelala]

I personally think the three pillars are:
Enhancements/ED's/characters. How we play.
Combat systems. The act of playing.
Loot. Why we play.

Funny, I would add on TOP of that list:

A QA team that doesn't say things are fixed after 2 years that are not fixed. And a bosses that wouldn't sign off on that sort of thing.

[jakeelala]

Which he is, both at home and at work.

I've run this game for 7 years on a 7200 RPM hard drive. Don't even know what you're talking about when you say double login problem

[Wizza]

Actually if you get 20% xp penalty for repeating, no covs, so this statement is not true.

The statement is fine, it said quests. Not 3 times the same one.

This. 3 different quests.

[CaptainSpacePony]

90% of people get it.
This problem never existed before motu or when it came.

Wow! As an aspiring hacker, I have to ask, what intrusion method did you use to be able to pull those stats? Whatever it was, I'm impressed!

[nibel]

No doubt E3BC will be fun, the Dev diary looked promising but I asked you about EE. Why should I, an elite player (as in a player that runs EE mostly), go into an EE quest if there are no better rewards, no better XP/Min, no unique loots? The answer is: none.

I will just stay in my corner, remembering every time people said they run EE for the challenge because "EH is too easy".

[Azarddoze]

I will just stay in my corner, remembering every time people said they run EE for the challenge because "EH is too easy".

For some people:

EH is too easy = Run EE.

No reason to run EE = eventually leave game.

Now the problem isn't as laughable and harmless anymore...


Because honestly, facerolling ain't so fun. Neither is (taking more time than you could) repeating something for no reason.

[Ivan_Milic]

Wow! As an aspiring hacker, I have to ask, what intrusion method did you use to be able to pull those stats? Whatever it was, I'm impressed!

Playing the game, everyone I asked in game get it.
You can also see how many views ddo preload got, if people didnt have double login issue preload wouldnt be so important.
Now what method you used that you think Im wrong?

[dunklezhan]

You can also see how many views ddo preload got, if people didnt have double login issue preload wouldnt be so important.

This is probably relevant: everyone I know now uses the preloader. Hence no double login - I really have no idea how many people have it NOW but based on what happened in our admittedly very small guild (so sample size is way way too small) 90% would not be far off, for the life of the bug. But it may well be that things have indeed improved. We wouldn't know, we all use preloader because it's so much faster in general than Turbine's client. Turbine are basically now faced with the challenge of getting us to use their tech again, when we no longer trust it. Unless they find a way and decide to spend the time to stop the preloader working, I'm not sure we'll ever now get a good picture of how widespread this bug is.

[Scrapco]

During loading, something is timing out and proceeding even though all the necessary things aren't loaded.

It's a simple bug with a simple fix. Some areas have too much info (texture data, etc.) to load before the timeout. That's why you'll see it on slower drives, why you'll see it more when you first log in and your toon was in the harbor rather than other areas, and why 98% of the time the second login works, but why it'll happen again after you've closed the game and done something else for a while.

[Captain_Wizbang]

I like the 10000 foot view, not the nitty gritty stuff.

So the rumors are true then MaL. You are "the guy" in that ivory tower, looking down on his minions. (and probably the guy responsible for all the Bruin's confetti dropping from the sky)

[CaptainSpacePony]

Playing the game, everyone I asked in game get it.
You can also see how many views ddo preload got, if people didnt have double login issue preload wouldnt be so important.
Now what method you used that you think Im wrong?

I don't really know if you're wrong or right. I am just impressed how you were able to come up with 90%.

Based on your in-game asking it would seem to be 100%.
Forum views do/could support your point that it's important, but can't be used to quantify how many people it directly affects.
I have 5 laptops that run DDO. At this time it seems to be mostly confined to 1, which would be 20%ish. But I recognize that's a very small sample size and those systems are using the same router, isp, etc.

All in all, I am think you have good reason for your concerns, I was merely trying to point out, in a light-hearted manner, that making unsupported claims (90%, Devs Obviously don't play etc) server to undermine your creditability, rather than strengthen your otherwise rational and strong point.

Sorry if I irritated you, I was actually trying to be helpful.
-'nuff said