Sagas have been temporarily disabled

[BOgre]

I also completed every saga, 4 times in fact, yesterday, on my level 10 sorcerer.

I also enjoy the "It's such buggy cr*p code" but the instant it's taken down you scream bollocks.

Please ramp up the "Doo0o00oo0ommm!!!11!!11!!11!!" as my popcorn is getting cold and the fake butter on it turns toxic when it reaches room temperature.

All hyperbole aside, he does have a point. I didn't 'just' get here or there, and my plans are usually pretty vague and more often than not they change from hour to minute.... but having Sagas down for such an extended period does put a kink in what plans I DO have. We predicted these repeated, inconvenient Saga take-downs back when they were introduced, or at least back when they came down the first time... And here we are, what, 3rd time now? 4th? It's a G.D. miracle we didn't get stuck with Saga-only CoV....

But seriously, how long do we have to put up with this "helps players = hotfix. Hurts players = maybe someday" mentality? Cord, you certainly don't owe me any favors, but would you PUH-LEEEEZ take this to management: WE'RE FED UP WITH THIS POLICY. High visibility issues, like quest closures, bugs affecting XP, Favor, Renown, etc, should never get pushed back to "someday" or "next update". They require instant attention and ASAP hotfix. Pay for some O.T. or whatever, but get it done.

@ProdMalph: As your 1st public order of business, how about you jump in here and make some customers happy.

[zeonardo]

We expect Sagas to remain unavailable until the release of Update 22. Sorry!

DDO Bonus Days untill then?

[golruul]

I mainly use sagas for leveling my guild. If there was an exploit with the experience reward, please consider a workaround of disabling only that portion (or setting the experience rewarded to zero).

Sagas are a big milestone in character achievement and one of the clear high-points of the updates. For me, disabling sagas as a whole has the same effect as raid rewards not working correctly -- a huge incentive to play is gone.

I guess I'm one of the few people that buys ETR hearts and guild renown potions. Since I won't bother leveling anymore, I won't be buying either of these items. I also won't be renewing VIP at least until it's fixed (or workaround is done).

[XiaNYdE]

We expect Sagas to remain unavailable until the release of Update 22. Sorry!

Really?? Is this a joke?? you broke them and can't fix them for what is probably going to be months?? so turn on something you haven't broken 20% bonus to all guild renown and xp until such time as you can fix them should do.

[NaturalHazard]

So if you CAN fix it quickly, I strongly recommend that you do so. If you can't, I suggest making an apology and granting a 10% heroic and epic xp, guild renown, and Covs until it is fixed. That I know you CAN do, and I believe you should do. It will greatly reduce the annoyance of the player base..

This is a good idea, saga's is a big loss i was going to hand some in I had completed and was close to finishing some others then wham, its a lot of xp I was going to use to get my alts off destinies leveled up a bit and to get some more fate points but now it seems like wasted effort. More ill feeling is not what this game needs.

[Alizar]

I mainly use sagas for leveling my guild. If there was an exploit with the experience reward, please consider a workaround of disabling only that portion (or setting the experience rewarded to zero).

Sagas are a big milestone in character achievement and one of the clear high-points of the updates. For me, disabling sagas as a whole has the same effect as raid rewards not working correctly -- a huge incentive to play is gone.

I guess I'm one of the few people that buys ETR hearts and guild renown potions. Since I won't bother leveling anymore, I won't be buying either of these items. I also won't be renewing VIP at least until it's fixed (or workaround is done).

Wow they finally found a way to get me to STOP playing DDO. Been an avid player since 07 and haven't played since Sagas went down. Sagas gave me an incentive to keep playing with all the obvious problems that DDO is suffering through. I've spent thousands on this game over the years... I bet you close to 10K I think this latest issue is the final straw for me. Time to move on from PC games I guess.

[Maudib_360]

I also completed every saga, 4 times in fact, yesterday, on my level 10 sorcerer.

I also enjoy the "It's such buggy cr*p code" but the instant it's taken down you scream bollocks.

Please ramp up the "Doo0o00oo0ommm!!!11!!11!!11!!" as my popcorn is getting cold and the fake butter on it turns toxic when it reaches room temperature.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...d-Saga-Rewards

Careful not to choke on your foot.

[Arcanghakhyorsarthel]

well....prior to sagas....we just did quests...we just did slayers. We completed chains.

A few players out there found a way to do something to get an extra reward taken from us. Was this reward worth it to the general population of the game? Durned right it was.

So...the rest of us pay for the sins of a few until this gets fixed.

Something that's become a part of the game with high gain all around can't be used for a while.

right then.

I'm not going to quit. To me that's a bit senseless. I'm not going to rage about it either.

In the past I've not agreed with a few things that have happened within game that affected my toons. Those toons have either been TR'd to something else or outright deleted so that I can continue enjoying this game.

The players that have contributed to these escapades....no...not going to go there.

I'm just going to go play now.

[Thrudh]

Wow they finally found a way to get me to STOP playing DDO. Been an avid player since 07 and haven't played since Sagas went down. Sagas gave me an incentive to keep playing with all the obvious problems that DDO is suffering through. I've spent thousands on this game over the years... I bet you close to 10K I think this latest issue is the final straw for me. Time to move on from PC games I guess.

This one wins the Internet... The ONLY reason this guy kept playing DDO was because sagas were so awesome...

In fact the only reason he even owns a PC is because sagas were so good.

Heh.

[SeaWolf925]

I was opposed to Saga's being the only way to get comms. I have been running a lot of Saga's for ETR and filling in off character destinies. I am not into grinding EDS and have been Heroic TR'ing to fill these destinies albeit slowly and working in my past lives. I was gong to renew my VIP membership; now I will not. I however will reconsider this when the game is functioning the way that I have been playing it. Until then I will work on some of my alts (less then level 20) and build up my turbine points. I normally do not do any ES quests until after level 20 (I really do enjoy the Epic version of GH) and have never used saga's below level 20. I am used to playing this game the way it was and have not changed my style, everything in Eberron was below level 21 and everything in ES was above level 20. There is plenty of xp in the game now that this is not an issue and with bravery bonus I run elites not the way I used to play (3 at normal, 1 at hard and 1 at elite). It's really disappointing when a game that I have been playing is no longer playable the way that I have been playing and enjoying it. This really puts a crimp in playing the best and only game that I presently play on the internet, maybe I should go back to Baldurs Gate the stand alone version.

[Ilindith]

Quality work, as always.

[blerkington]

Hi,

It would be really nice if in the brave fight against the naughty exploiters Turbine was able to avoid harming the rest of their population as well.

All of this extreme prejudice business is harming your whole population, not just the people who you think are duping items and performing other exploits.

You guys need to work much harder at avoiding collateral damage to the majority of your player base which I assume is behaving itself.

If you can't actually get your fixes done promptly and effectively, maybe it's time to start doing more for your players by way of an apology for degrading their gaming experience.

A period of bonus xp, guild renown, and loot boosts would be a **** good start.

Thanks.

[Pandir]

This one wins the Internet... The ONLY reason this guy kept playing DDO was because sagas were so awesome...

In fact the only reason he even owns a PC is because sagas were so good.

Heh.

Sarcasm aside the disabling of sagas for possibly months is more jarring than some think.
I'm hardly gonna quit about it, but my interest in playing has been somewhat diminished.
I've been leveling my guild with sagas woven into ETR, by disabling the sagas you basically took away one progression path for me at the moment.
If you're on the edge with the game anyways stuff like this might drive you over.

And yeah **** happens and if the sagas would be down a week or two, oh well. But months ?

[BOgre]

well....prior to sagas....we just did quests...we just did slayers. We completed chains.

A few players out there found a way to do something to get an extra reward taken from us. Was this reward worth it to the general population of the game? Durned right it was.

So...the rest of us pay for the sins of a few until this gets fixed.

Something that's become a part of the game with high gain all around can't be used for a while.

right then.

I'm not going to quit. To me that's a bit senseless. I'm not going to rage about it either.

In the past I've not agreed with a few things that have happened within game that affected my toons. Those toons have either been TR'd to something else or outright deleted so that I can continue enjoying this game.

The players that have contributed to these escapades....no...not going to go there.

I'm just going to go play now.

laissez faire is all well and good, and probably a nice way to avoid stress, but Sagas (and every other current game feature) are part of the product we're paying for. It's not out of line to want that fixed and to stop spending until it is.

But you're right; Not quitting, going to go play too.

[Nédime]

Hi,

It would be really nice if in the brave fight against the naughty exploiters Turbine was able to avoid harming the rest of their population as well.

Is called collateral damage.

[poltt48]

Unless they changed it without telling us U22 suppose to come out end of June time frame. So that means 2 months without sagas.

[Arcanghakhyorsarthel]

laissez faire is all well and good, and probably a nice way to avoid stress, but Sagas (and every other current game feature) are part of the product we're paying for. It's not out of line to want that fixed and to stop spending until it is.

But you're right; Not quitting, going to go play too.

yar....I agree that the sagas are part of the product that we pay for in this game. At epic level, especially for ETRs, they are an invaluable source of xp and skill boost (if one so desires). One can only hope that someone on the upper management level decides to make the appropriate decision to repair the issue and mete out an appropriate justice to those that abused the system, and make reparations to the players that continue to uphold an ethical playstyle by not abusing the game mechanics.

I had to change my strategy on how I was going to play my main toon and quite possibly my other toons for the hopefully-short-term in light of this recent...development. Originally, it was going to be multiple ETRs on many of my toons. Not going to go that route now and will complete herioc TR's instead. Lower cost on my part since I've got the tokens to do so. I'll have to get to the ETRs some other time.

*shrug

c'est la vie

[Derana]

Scale all XP (+20%) until sagas get fixed.

Otherwise,
I don't want to do reincarnations = I don't want to buy reincarnation items + I don't want to buy XP pots + I don't want to play

You guys made the decision to make sagas a big part of reincarnating and then you let them be "broken".


This comes when I was deciding whether or not to renew VIP for a year+... guess not...

League of Legends had bonus IP this weekend and a rune page sale coming up... just sayin.

Considering that TR is the only thing left to do, again -- thanks to raid timers and bound to character on equip loot that makes new packs obsolete 2 weeks after its release because everyone either bought or grinded their way through the pack and so doesn't have to play it anymore -- taking out Saga's for like two months is a major harm to my playstyle. I use Saga exp to get from 20 to almost 23 after epic tr'ing because 20-23 is a pain to level, in my opinion. At the moment I am iconic tr'ing because I need some past lives but once these are done, I don't really know what to do either because I don't wanna do 20-23 without first time bonus xp.

I also don't understand why Turbine can do hotfixes when there's a major (enter the unspeakable and therefore bannable word here) going on that is hurting Turbine's store sales.. But when it's something that is not bringing money directly into Turbine's pockets, it can be turned off for months?!

[lifestaker]

you know the player base has changed in years fallowing the WB and f2p turnover, but really people? Quitting/ saying you are quitting over sagas? Are you completely out of reasonable mindset or just calling out for people to give you attention? Many things have happened to the game over the years to include 3 years with no new content, retroactive item/feat/enhancement changes that destroy builds, server merges, and broccoli added to the game. But, sagas being DISABLED it the top of your list of OHHHH NOOOOOOs. Get real. ya something was not working as the devs planned, or some people found a way to get more then intended. IT HAPPENS. The game didn't break and it is only one feature of thousands in the game that got temporary disabled, so get over it.

When people say they are quitting over things like this they do so under the mindset that them saying they are gonna leave actually means something. IT DON'T. Can suck when people leave but that is a player mindset, from a company mind it hurts but you know you can rebound from it given the history of the turnover within the game. Most of the time the 'fix or else' people do leave for one reason or another (I can still remember 3 people leaving over +3 tomes added to the store), but they always come back when something new is added. Normally a returning player invests more into the game then a new player or a continued player, mainly due to returners wanting everything they missed.

Regardless of how hurt you are over sagas, or how little you care about them, ya TEMPORARILY disabled content always is right at your level range (if WW went down you would have just TRd and were planning on running it). But, who cares in the long run. When shroud went down due to DI people were lost because there was no other content to run in the game, now people don't even run shroud like before. Far to many grow complacent on running the same thing every day/week as a way to get what they want to such a degree that all other content is for naught. At least people didn't get carpet banned for no reason, perma-banned for no reason, or characters deleted with 'reasonable suspicion'.

'Sagas are why I own a computer' people need to get real.
'Sagas are the reason I play DDO' people forget that sagas are not that old.
'Sagas make me breakfast in the morning and keep we warm at night' people might need more help then I want to go into ATM.
'Broccoli is awesome, love the Broccoli' people just make me sick. HAM it. It is LFH. It is TASTEY HAM. Broccoli is just a Mystical Plant, has nothing on pork barrels.




*TL;DR*
If you leave over sagas then meh.
If you stay over sagas then meh.
If you like pizza then you're okay in my book.
If you cry a river that drowns others then you did it right.

[madmaxhunter]

*snip*

'Sagas are why I own a computer' people need to get real.
'Sagas are the reason I play DDO' people forget that sagas are not that old.
'Sagas make me breakfast in the morning and keep we warm at night' people might need more help then I want to go into ATM.
'Broccoli is awesome, love the Broccoli' people just make me sick. HAM it. It is LFH. It is TASTEY HAM. Broccoli is just a Mystical Plant, has nothing on pork barrels.




*TL;DR*
If you leave over sagas then meh.
If you stay over sagas then meh.
If you like pizza then you're okay in my book.
If you cry a river that drowns others then you did it right.

Nice simplification of player anger. It's not Sagas. It's a tipping point. As a person my decisions are based on pros and cons. That's human nature. Once the cons outweigh the pros, decisions need to be made. No one would leave a perfect game because of a single bug. When the bugs/exploits/bad decisions, makes the game no longer worth playing, they leave.

I'm not leaving. I'm not raging. I do think some kind of experience/renown bonus would show the players Turbine understands.