Monkcher feedback

[Merlin-ator]

My first attempt at making a Monkcher, feedback appreciated. 12/7/1 12 Ranger for Imp Precise Shot and skills, 7 Monk for 10K Stars and Wholeness of Body, 1 Fighter for feat. Dex based Elf for Aerenal Grace. 2nd life build.

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Level 25 Lawful Good Elf Male
(1 Fighter \ 7 Monk \ 12 Ranger \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 327
Spell Points: 224 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 24
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 25)           (Level 25)
Strength              8                 11                   11
Dexterity            20                 29                   32
Constitution         14                 17                   17
Intelligence          8                 11                   11
Wisdom               15                 18                   18
Charisma              8                 11                   11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 25)          (Level 25)
Balance               5                 11                   16
Bluff                -1                  0                    5
Concentration         6                 26                   31
Diplomacy            -1                  0                    5
Disable Device       n/a                n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                  0                    5
Heal                  6                 22                   27
Hide                  9                 34                   39
Intimidate           -1                  0                    5
Jump                 -1                  0                    5
Listen                2                  4                   11
Move Silently         9                 34                   39
Open Lock             n/a              n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                  0                    5
Search               -1                  0                    7
Spellcraft           -1                  0                    5
Spot                  6                 26                   33
Swim                 -1                  0                    5
Tumble                n/a              n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Heal (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Reptillian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Druid
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Archer's Focus
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Heroic Durability


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 7 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Air
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Fire
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Earth
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Water
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Precision
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 11 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Ten Thousand Stars
Feat: (Automatic) Adept of Forms


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy


Level 15 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 17 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 18 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shot on the Run
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 20 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Combat Archery


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Great Dexterity


Level 25 (Epic)

General questions:

What twink gear should I use for leveling? I've got my Ioun Stones and a Quivering Quiver, what else?
Any build-related bugs I should know about? (Besides Alacrity, of course)
How do I make the character planner accept gear? The Equipment option is greyed out, and always has been in my experience.
Why do most Monkchers go for WIS? I've never had any trouble hitting anything post-MotU. Is there some way to add WIS to bow damage?
What should my Crafting level be before I TR? What major things, besides +5 Enhancement bonus, should I have a 50% chance to craft?

[Munkenmo]

1. What twink gear should I use for leveling? I've got my Ioun Stones and a Quivering Quiver, what else?
2. Any build-related bugs I should know about? (Besides Alacrity, of course)
3. How do I make the character planner accept gear? The Equipment option is greyed out, and always has been in my experience.
4. Why do most Monkchers go for WIS? I've never had any trouble hitting anything post-MotU. Is there some way to add WIS to bow damage?
5. What should my Crafting level be before I TR? What major things, besides +5 Enhancement bonus, should I have a 50% chance to craft?

1. Get some nice handwraps, you'll find bow dps is abysmal until you get improved precise shot, meleeing till then will be almost mandatory. If you don't mind cannith challenges, the bracers of wind and icy robes are great, the sora kell set is also covers some gear quite nicely.

2b. Not really build related bugs, but I think you'll find that an 11ranger/6monk/3arti (or rogue) may end up being a better build, there's no bonus feats with 12ranger & the level 12 core abilities in deepwood/AA are pretty weak. Picking arti will give you room to fit in elemental weapons for an extra d6 damage, umd and trap skills, with some careful skill distribution you should be able to maintain full ranks in trapping skills. (spot is a monk skill) (search is a ranger skill). I don't think you'll find much need for wholeness of body, nor will it be that effective with only 7monk levels.

2c. At 3, you picked up weapon focus ranged, at 6 you picked up power critical. Instead, you could pick up dodge at level 3, and "master of forms" at level 12. Instead of getting +2 damage per crit, you could have a +1 critical modifer on 19/20 when running in earth stance. Maybe pick up quicken Instead of power critical. This would improve your offense and your defense and provide more reliable emergency healing.

2d. Given that i've just ruined your day telling you you'll need to go str based, you may want to try pick up Overwhelming critical, If you give up shot on the run, Mobility, and great dex, you could pick up OC at level 27.
Starting stats, 16str +3tome+4 levels, 18dex+3tome, 10con, 8int, 16wis+3tome+remainder of levels, 8cha (don't be worried about 10con, by the time you reach epic levels you'll be able to hit 800+ hp)

3. The character planner is so outdated regarding gear that even if it did work it's not worth taking into consideration, that's why the dev team have ignored gear recently whilst keeping up with all the build changes that have occured over the past 2 years.

4. Wisdom doesn't only effect too hit, the higher your wisdom the greater the liklihood of getting additional arrows when using 10k stars, after qualifying for overwhelming critical Wisdom is your most important stat for boosting dps.

5. When you TR all the decreasing rewards for all your crafting recipies get reset. I'd just level up as far as you can with the cheapest ingredient : xp ratio then TR when you run out of ingredients. Note. an invulnerability item is probably the single best item you can craft yourself, they're great defense till around level 9+

[Merlin-ator]

Thanks so much for your reply! I think I might know enough now to make a good build. I thought Master of Forms was autogranted, that really would have messed me up!

[Munkenmo]

Thanks so much for your reply! I think I might know enough now to make a good build. I thought Master of Forms was autogranted, that really would have messed me up!

forms feats are granted at monk levels 1,6,12 & 18.

If you don't have that many monk levels you can choose them at 6+,12+ & 18+

[Nodoze]

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2a. Dex to damage with bows is not working properly, you'll want to go str based, getting just enough dex to qualify for feats (21 if you go for combat archery, 13 if you're just after dodge)
...

I was aware that the Monk Ninja Spy Advanced Ninja Training's Dex to damage with Bow was taken away.

Are you saying the Elven Grace Dex to damage with bows is not working?

[Munkenmo]

I was aware that the Monk Ninja Spy Advanced Ninja Training's Dex to damage with Bow was taken away.

Are you saying the Elven Grace Dex to damage with bows is not working?

Sorry, I was misinformed, I've just deleted that part to prevent anyone else from further confusion

[barecm]

General questions:

What twink gear should I use for leveling? I've got my Ioun Stones and a Quivering Quiver, what else?
Any build-related bugs I should know about? (Besides Alacrity, of course)
How do I make the character planner accept gear? The Equipment option is greyed out, and always has been in my experience.
Why do most Monkchers go for WIS? I've never had any trouble hitting anything post-MotU. Is there some way to add WIS to bow damage?
What should my Crafting level be before I TR? What major things, besides +5 Enhancement bonus, should I have a 50% chance to craft?

1- Quiver of Alacrity has no level requirement and if you can manage to get one from the Abott raid, you will be glad you did.
An option is a crafted necklace that grants 10% ranged alacrity.

He is my bow progression:
Crafted bleed/acid bow for lvl 1-4
The Greatbow of the Scrag for lvl 4-6.
Silverbow level 6-12
Greensteel level 12-14
Unwavering Ardency level 14-20 (if you can get from Abbot)
Alchemical level 20-23
Pinion level 23 -28 (I use at end game)
Complete Thunderforged Level 28 (Main end game bow with Mortal Fear ability)

Other things to collect for twink are Greensteel items for HP and SP boosts useable at level 11. Dragontouched armor, old heroic black scale armor if you have (ranged alacrity), wretched twilight (cloak from Abbot) and the AA tod ring set at level 18 (you will eventually ween yourself off that).

As far as the other questions, I think those have been answered. There are two heavily referenced builds out there, one being more self sufficient and the other focused on burst DPS. I would take a look at those and maybe create your own off those. Personally, I did a hybrid taking the DPS elements of the STR build and the healing skills and self sufficency from the other and meshed it together.

[santiago66]

I'm also trying to create a build like this. Probably not bothered about having a superhero and more interested in playing mid level adventures.

No gear specified, no past lives, likely tomes but what do you think of this build?

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Bobbin Hood 
Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(13 Monk \ 6 Ranger \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 236
Spell Points: 210 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 20
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    16
Dexterity            17                    24
Constitution         12                    15
Intelligence         10                    11
Wisdom               14                    15
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 13
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 13
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 13
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 13
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 13
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    22
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         3                    25
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  6                    11
Hide                  7                    21
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  4                    14
Listen                2                     4
Move Silently         7                    19
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                4                    11
Spellcraft            0                     1
Spot                  6                    19
Swim                  2                     3
Tumble                n/a                   8
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Shadow


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Ten Thousand Stars


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Monk)


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Shot on the Run


Level 16 (Monk)


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell