Ok...so currently I have a 2nd life mainly pure shintao monk, I want to try a dark monk for a change, it will be using wraps as a weapon, anyone able to suggest some sort of build? I'm thinking of going pure (last 2 lives were both pure light monk) I'm open to multiclassed suggestions too, I want to be able to inflict some decent damage, already have a +3 str tome, +3 con tome and a +3 wis tome on it.
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Thread: Dark monk advice please!
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04-17-2014, 09:53 PM #1Community Member
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Dark monk advice please!
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04-17-2014, 10:41 PM #2Community Member
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exactly the same build as light monk, 16 wis, 14 con, enough dex for twf feats(17) depending on your tomes and rest in str or some int for skill points
you get a small amount of negative damage instead of healing curse.
touch of despair if you feel like spending 10 ap for it
dark monk finishers are pretty alright
dark dark dark: -fortification
water dark water: paralyze humanoids
earth dark earth: nauseated (cant attack and half speed)Elemo - Patorikku - Happyfruit - Wookiee ~Ghallanda~
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04-18-2014, 12:22 AM #3Community Member
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My Dark Monk seems to work very well. Cannith Crafting is an amazing boon, just to have bane weapons. Lesser or greater, doesn't matter much. Just to give you some ideas, I've tried to recreate it off the top of my head:
Most levels, you wanna stay in Air Stance all the time. Sometimes, like for a few levels after you get Touch of Death, you'll want to stay in Fire just to keep the necessary 50 Ki.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.20.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 25 Lawful Good Dwarf Male (20 Monk \ 5 Epic) Hit Points: 400 Spell Points: 20965712 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 20 Reflex: 19 Will: 20 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 25) (Level 25) Strength 16 19 19 Dexterity 15 18 18 Constitution 16 19 21 Intelligence 8 11 11 Wisdom 16 23 26 Charisma 6 9 9 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11 +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11 +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11 +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11 +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11 +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 25) Balance 2 19 Bluff -2 4 Concentration 7 43 Diplomacy -2 4 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -2 4 Heal 3 13 Hide 2 9 Intimidate -2 4 Jump 7 16 Listen 3 13 Move Silently 2 9 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 5 Search -1 7 Spellcraft -1 5 Spot 7 36 Swim 3 9 Tumble n/a 32 Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack Feat: (Selected) Stunning Fist Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 4 (Monk) Ability Raise: WIS Level 5 (Monk) Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Power Critical Feat: (Monk Bonus) Precision Level 7 (Monk) Level 8 (Monk) Ability Raise: WIS Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Monk) Level 11 (Monk) Level 12 (Monk) Ability Raise: WIS Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Monk) Level 14 (Monk) Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Monk) Ability Raise: WIS Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Sap Level 19 (Monk) Level 20 (Monk) Level 21 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Epic: Vorpal Strikes Level 22 (Epic) Level 23 (Epic) Level 24 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Epic: Improved Martial Arts Level 25 (Epic)
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04-18-2014, 01:25 AM #4Community Member
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How about a Dwarven Tactician with Stunning fist, Improved trip, Improved feint, (3 different tactics cc), sneak attack damage, good prr and ac with mountain/ocean stance, mostly ninja spy for shadow double, shadow veil, no mercy, with haste boost from fighter, trapper and umd skills from rogue lvls:
Originally Posted by aavah
Just need to add a +2 tome of dexterity and +2 tome of intelligence.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.20.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Tactician Level 28 Lawful Good Dwarf Male (2 Fighter \ 12 Monk \ 6 Rogue \ 8 Epic) Hit Points: 416 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 20 Reflex: 19 Will: 19 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28) Strength 14 17 Dexterity 15 17 Constitution 14 19 Intelligence 12 14 Wisdom 16 29 Charisma 10 10 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11 +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11 +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 28) Balance 6 23 Bluff 0 8 Concentration 4 37 Diplomacy 0 8 Disable Device 5 32 Haggle 0 8 Heal 3 17 Hide 6 15 Intimidate 0 8 Jump 6 24 Listen 3 17 Move Silently 5 14 Open Lock 6 24 Perform n/a n/a Repair 1 10 Search 5 35 Spellcraft 1 10 Spot 3 17 Swim 2 11 Tumble 3 12 Use Magic Device 4 31 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist Level 4 (Monk) Ability Raise: WIS Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Level 5 (Monk) Level 6 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Feint Level 7 (Monk) Level 8 (Monk) Ability Raise: WIS Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Impending Doom (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Wave of Despair (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 2) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 3) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3) Level 9 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Trip Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Rogue) Level 11 (Monk) Level 12 (Monk) Ability Raise: WIS Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Martial Arts (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Martial Arts (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 2) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 3) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Double (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Protection from Tainted Creatures (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 1) Level 13 (Monk) Level 14 (Monk) Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Monk) Ability Raise: WIS Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Hand (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Argent Fist (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Ki Shout (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 2) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 2) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 3) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1) Level 17 (Rogue) Level 18 (Fighter) Feat: (Selected) Cleave Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1) Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1) Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Tactics (Rank 1) Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Tactics (Rank 2) Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Tactics (Rank 3) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 1) Level 19 (Rogue) Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: WIS Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1) Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Runes (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 2) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 3) Level 21 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Epic: Vorpal Strikes Level 22 (Epic) Level 23 (Epic) Level 24 (Epic) Ability Raise: WIS Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave Level 25 (Epic) Level 26 (Epic) Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Tactician Level 27 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed Level 28 (Epic) Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Forced Escape
(I took power attack, cleave and great cleave at higher lvls just for master blitz recharge but can drop them if not using Legendary dreadnought destiny and take grandmaster of forms, Imp martial arts and bulwark of defense instead)
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04-18-2014, 06:33 AM #5Community Member
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Originally Posted by elcagador
It sounds like a really complex build to me, I've never had the chance to play rogue, not even at the low lvls. Not quite sure I'd be up to playing a 3 class character
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04-18-2014, 06:42 AM #6Community Member
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Originally Posted by Merlin-ator
Thanks for the reply and build idea! 1 problem I'll have with dark monk at higher lvls is the metal one DR, light monk in shintao manages to bypass most problems, where as dark monk won't. Ki probably won't be a massive issue as I'm normally in sun stance building it up and using as a see fit.
Just wondering, as a light monk, the heal skill improved my ki heal, would adding points in heal do the opposite on dark? As in, would adding to heal skill improve my neg energy? Or would I be doing better by slotting in a ruby of nullification later on be better?
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04-18-2014, 08:33 AM #7Community Member
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you do realise that since the enhancment pass was made, light monks can get shadowfade from ninja spy, and dark monks can get the DR bypasses from shintao right? Originally Posted by aavah
For clarity, as a light monk, you can invest in anything in the ninja spy tree, aside from the left hand vertical column. As a dark monk, you can invest in everything in the shintao tree aside from the left hand vertical column. There is very little difference between light and dark these days. Personally I tend to go dark, but there's very little in it these days.
Ranks in heal skill will not improve fists of light, but it will improve your triple light finisher, sadly touch of death is not impacted by spell power.
Someone else asked about light or dark monks a while ago, there's a few posts that may help you hereLast edited by fTdOmen; 04-18-2014 at 08:46 AM.
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04-18-2014, 02:38 PM #8Community Member
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The playstyle is the same as a pure monk. Just go and punch the enemies with stunning fists and other tactics, rogue lvls are mainly for Use magical device skill, some sneak damage and possibly disable device and search for trap disarming but can avoid trap disarming if want (anyway monk will be your icon class so no problem if can't do traps). If you can craft a triple positive green steel boots (or item) with +12 exceptional charisma skills, sp and raise dead clickie it would be amazing to splash rogue for full use magic device skill ranks that can give you acces to many useful scrolls like raise dead and heal scrolls at higher lvls and you will be like in god mode in high heroic lvls and would make your way into epics more easy until you can twist rejuvenation cocoon. Originally Posted by aavah
Currently, more than 12 Monk lvls does not give you much power, more with the recent quivering palm nerf, the capstone is good but requires too much ap sacrifice and some splashes just seem more powerful, like for example the fighter splash for haste boost and +3 tactical dc or rogue/artificer for full umd skill.
If you are new to multiclassing and want to go slowly, can just multiclass with 2 fighter levels (for Haste boost, 2 extra martial features, +3 stunning fist dc, +3 reflex/fortitude save, +3 extra action boost and +1 to hit and damage).
If have acces to a green steel item with cha skills can also splash just one rogue or artificer lvl at the begining for umd skill and then the 2 fighter lvls, that way would be a 17 Monk/2 fighter/1 rogue or artificer, just start with 12+ intelligence for skill points and after +2 Int tome you will have at least 4 skill points to spend per level that can be 2 skill points into Umd, 1 point into concentration and 1 point into jump or balance (not that complex).
Just giving some more options than just going pure and since you want to be dark and will not have fist of light or healing ki, having some self heal from use magic device scrolls or wands would be very useful at higher heroic/epic lvls.
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04-18-2014, 03:55 PM #9Community Member
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Half Orc Dark monk Fire stance
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.20.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 28 Lawful Good Half-Orc Male (20 Monk \ 8 Epic) Hit Points: 420 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 18 Will: 21 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28) Strength 17 23 Dexterity 13 17 Constitution 16 20 Intelligence 6 10 Wisdom 17 28 Charisma 6 10 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11 +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11 +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11 +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11 +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11 +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11 +4 Tome of Strength used at level 15 +4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15 +4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15 +4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15 +4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15 +4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 28) Balance 4 37 Bluff -2 8 Concentration 7 41 Diplomacy -2 8 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -2 8 Heal 3 17 Hide 1 11 Intimidate -2 8 Jump 3 34 Listen 3 17 Move Silently 1 11 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -2 8 Search -2 8 Spellcraft -2 8 Spot 3 17 Swim 3 14 Tumble 2 15 Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Dodge Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Precision Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 4 (Monk) Level 5 (Monk) Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist Level 7 (Monk) Level 8 (Monk) Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Monk) Level 11 (Monk) Level 12 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Monk) Level 14 (Monk) Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Monk) Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 19 (Monk) Level 20 (Monk) Level 21 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Epic: Improved Martial Arts Level 22 (Epic) Level 23 (Epic) Level 24 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Epic: Vorpal Strikes Level 25 (Epic) Level 26 (Epic) Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Tactician Level 27 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed Level 28 (Epic) Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Half-Orc - Orcish Fury (Rank 1) Enhancement: Half-Orc - Orcish Strength (Rank 1) Enhancement: Half-Orc - Orcish Fury (Rank 1) Enhancement: Half-Orc - Orcish Strength (Rank 1) Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Riddle of Fire (Rank 1) Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Mystic Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Poisoned Darts (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Diversion (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Master (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Impending Doom (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Poison Exploit (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Subtlety (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 2) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 3) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Wave of Despair (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Flash Bang (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Flash Bang (Rank 2) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Flash Bang (Rank 3) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sting of the Ninja (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Poisoned Soul (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Deadly Exploits (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Deadly Exploits (Rank 2) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Deadly Exploits (Rank 3) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 2) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 3) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Touch of Death (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Crippling Strike (Rank 1) Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Double (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 1) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 2) Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 3)
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