Let us ETR when we have 6 million sphere xp

[PsychoBlonde]

Basically what the title says. It's not necessary to change it right NOW but please, please, for the love of sanity PLEASE make this change when the level cap goes to 30. The (estimated) 4million xp that you're going to need for those last two levels will be a NIGHTMARE for people grinding eTR's. Don't penalize people who didn't get everything done before the cap raise. Let us eTR based on our sphere xp instead of forcing us to XP cap all the epic levels.

Also you may want to consider buffing the iconic TR abilities to account for the HUGE increase in required XP grinding to get them.

[ArcaneArcher52689]

Basically what the title says. It's not necessary to change it right NOW but please, please, for the love of sanity PLEASE make this change when the level cap goes to 30. The (estimated) 4million xp that you're going to need for those last two levels will be a NIGHTMARE for people grinding eTR's. Don't penalize people who didn't get everything done before the cap raise. Let us eTR based on our sphere xp instead of forcing us to XP cap all the epic levels.

Also you may want to consider buffing the iconic TR abilities to account for the HUGE increase in required XP grinding to get them.

This. OR, let us take one EPL per sphere that we have 6mil karma in per ETR. That way we can at least work on multiple spheres each life and feel like we earned something.

[dunklezhan]

This. OR, let us take one EPL per sphere that we have 6mil karma in per ETR. That way we can at least work on multiple spheres each life and feel like we earned something.

Would be a huge code change, but I think they should just let you TR the ED, rather than the levels - So:

TR would be reserved for resetting you to L1 from L20+. Not available to iconics
iTR would be something you can only ever take from cap and it drops you to iconic minimum level or heroic level 1 if a non-iconic is selected.
Both grant a full heroic passive past lives and allow selection of active past lives.

eTR would be converted to EDTR, which would look like:
You can only take it at cap,
You can only take it for a maxed out ED.
You keep on playing level cap, but re-set an ED to zero with an ED past life on it.
They can put XP increases on subsequence 'sphere lives' similar to heroic lives if need be.

If you need a respec of your epic levels a normal lesser heart of wood should suffice since you don't have 'classes' to swap at Epic. So you would have no need at all to reset your epic levels and run through the horror of L21-25 without an ED to level, without at least having run through the horror of a multi-TR XP-starved heroic level or two like everyone else.

Not sure how well this would work with capped players and low 20s epic characters hitting low 20s content but since I also think they should do away with all overlevel XP penalties in L20+ content and just have it not grant bravery bonuses without interrupting streaks... /meh.

Point is - as things stand I will likely only ever full-TR or i-TR, because eTR looks, frankly, like a spinning grindstone waiting for my face to fall on it. I guess they probably get TP from me either way, /sigh.

[Greantun]

Would be a huge code change, but I think they should just let you TR the ED, rather than the levels - So:
You keep on playing level cap, but re-set an ED to zero with an ED past life on it.

This is exactly what the players *DID NOT* want to happen. This would mean you would lose all of that ED's abilities.

I also wouldn't like staying at level cap, I like replaying quests, and if you stayed there, you can't play all the epic quests.

However, since I am TRing also, I am always going to CAP, ETR followed by either TR or iTR (depending on if I am an iconic), and starting over from level 1.

[SirValentine]

This is exactly what the players *DID NOT* want to happen. This would mean you would lose all of that ED's abilities.

Really? I wouldn't have had a problem with that approach. Losing 1 ED seems reasonable.

I thought the uproar, including mine, was the stupid initial ER suggestion that you lose ALL of your EDs EXCEPT one. So if you had 11 capped, you lose 10 of them. That proposal was WAY too punitive.

[fool101]

Since the xp for levels and destinies is already severed and in fact the only overlap is the new "karma" xp, I don't see why they couldn't allow ER to occur at a different level.

The only thing that would get hairy is if you have max karma in multiple spheres. Would that mean you could chain ER without leveling?

Ultimately I think the current system is close to on-target. But I wouldn't mind a few tweaks to remove some of the artificial barriers (such as requiring level 28 or 30) on top of the karma requirement. I can't immediately think of any loss in income potential from this type of switch either. But people would be able to achieve epic completionist easier, not sure if that's good or bad (coming from a person who likely won't have such a character).

[danotmano1998]

Really? I wouldn't have had a problem with that approach. Losing 1 ED seems reasonable.

I thought the uproar, including mine, was the stupid initial ER suggestion that you lose ALL of your EDs EXCEPT one. So if you had 11 capped, you lose 10 of them. That proposal was WAY too punitive.

*ding*

We have a winner

[Nodoze]

...However, since I am TRing also, I am always going to CAP, ETR followed by either TR or iTR (depending on if I am an iconic), and starting over from level 1.

Are you saying on an Iconic that you:
a) Level 1->28 to Cap and then ER and then immediate ITR? or
b) Level 1->28, ER 28->20, re-level 20-28, then ITR 28->1?

I can see on a non-Iconic doing an ER from 28->20 to get an EPL and then immediately TR from 20->1 to get a HPL to get the most out of it.

I ask because I thought on an Iconic if you ER from 28->20 you would need to level back up to 28 before you can ITR...

I really like my BF and would like to get both a EPL and HPL (or IPL) out of leveling 1->28 but instead could only get an IPL & HPL and no EPL by going back to level 1 from CAP. In hindsight it may be more efficient to do non-iconics to maximize acquiring both EPLs & HPLs when going from 1->28 but I really like the BF for my melee...

For reference I was using the following in my planning:

http://ddowiki.com/page/TR

[Gljosh]

Are you saying on an Iconic that you:
a) Level 1->28 to Cap and then ER and then immediate ITR? or
b) Level 1->28, ER 28->20, re-level 20-28, then ITR 28->1?

I can see on a non-Iconic doing an ER from 28->20 to get an EPL and then immediately TR from 20->1 to get a HPL to get the most out of it.

I ask because I thought on an Iconic if you ER from 28->20 you would need to level back up to 28 before you can ITR...

I really like my BF and would like to get both a EPL and HPL (or IPL) out of leveling 1->28 but instead could only get an IPL & HPL and no EPL by going back to level 1 from CAP. In hindsight it may be more efficient to do non-iconics to maximize acquiring both EPLs & HPLs when going from 1->28 but I really like the BF for my melee...

For reference I was using the following in my planning:

http://ddowiki.com/page/TR

I have a SDK Cleric/Rogue and if you ETR you have to hit level 28 to ITR. XP wise you are better off to go the Heroic TR route (3.8 million vs 8.3 million). If you combine the two approaches, level an Iconic in a less desirable ED, ITR and then run a Heroic Life into Epic and take the ETR of that ED it works pretty well.

[ArcaneArcher52689]

Would be a huge code change, but I think they should just let you TR the ED, rather than the levels - So:

TR would be reserved for resetting you to L1 from L20+. Not available to iconics
iTR would be something you can only ever take from cap and it drops you to iconic minimum level or heroic level 1 if a non-iconic is selected.
Both grant a full heroic passive past lives and allow selection of active past lives.

eTR would be converted to EDTR, which would look like:
You can only take it at cap,
You can only take it for a maxed out ED.
You keep on playing level cap, but re-set an ED to zero with an ED past life on it.
They can put XP increases on subsequence 'sphere lives' similar to heroic lives if need be.

If you need a respec of your epic levels a normal lesser heart of wood should suffice since you don't have 'classes' to swap at Epic. So you would have no need at all to reset your epic levels and run through the horror of L21-25 without an ED to level, without at least having run through the horror of a multi-TR XP-starved heroic level or two like everyone else.

Not sure how well this would work with capped players and low 20s epic characters hitting low 20s content but since I also think they should do away with all overlevel XP penalties in L20+ content and just have it not grant bravery bonuses without interrupting streaks... /meh.

Point is - as things stand I will likely only ever full-TR or i-TR, because eTR looks, frankly, like a spinning grindstone waiting for my face to fall on it. I guess they probably get TP from me either way, /sigh.

Not signed. The current benefit of ETR's is you earn them as you level. I don't want to be a lvl 28/30 character that has to play lvl 20 quests to farm my main ED up again.


Honestly, I think the OP's suggestion is the best. They sell more hearts, make more money, people grind less, everyone's happy.