8 Ftr 6 Pal 6 Mnk Dual Wield Build - feedback requested

[ValidorKanston]

I currently have a Human 18 Pal 2 Ftr sword & board build that's level 25, and am thinking of using my +20 Lesser Heart of Wood for the following build. Am undecided between khopesh and bastard sword, but am leaning toward khopesh due to the better crit multiplier. Haven't had the opportunity to try out this build on Lamannia, but will the next time it opens. I'd like to see how well cure light wounds will work with the maximize feat, healing skill increases, and healing amp enhancements. Ditto with lay on hands. Also, want to test khopesh damage with fists of iron ninja spy enhancement.

Looking forward to your feedback to improve the concept here. Thanks.

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Level 28 Lawful Good Human Male
(8 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 6 Monk \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 478
Spell Points: 140 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 18
Will: 15

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 28)           (Level 28)
Strength             16                 26                   28
Dexterity            14                 18                   18
Constitution         16                 21                   21
Intelligence          8                 12                   12
Wisdom               14                 18                   18
Charisma              8                 12                   12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 10
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 10
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 28)          (Level 28)
Balance               6                 17                   28
Bluff                -1                  1                    9
Concentration         3                  5                   16
Diplomacy            -1                  1                    9
Disable Device       n/a                n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                  1                    9
Heal                  2                 25                   33
Hide                  2                  4                   12
Intimidate           -1                  1                    9
Jump                  7                 27                   38
Listen                2                  4                   12
Move Silently         2                  4                   12
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                  n/a
Perform              n/a                n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                  1                    9
Search               -1                  1                    9
Spellcraft           -1                  1                    9
Spot                  6                 25                   33
Swim                  3                  9                   17
Tumble                6                  8                   19
Use Magic Device     n/a                n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+2)


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+3)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+3)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+3)


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+3)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Heal (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Spot (+6)


Level 17 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Spot (+5)


Level 18 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+2)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Heal (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Elusive Target
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Human Adaptability: Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike With No Thought (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Exotic Weapon Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Weapon Meditation (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Shattering Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - A Good Death (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Keen Edge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - One With The Blade (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Deadly Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Divine Righteousness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Inciting Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Inciting Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Inciting Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Resilient Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Resilient Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Resilient Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Protection from Tainted Creatures (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Hand (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 3)

[XodousRoC]

I'd like to see how well cure light wounds will work with the maximize feat, healing skill increases, and healing amp enhancements. Ditto with lay on hands. Also, want to test khopesh damage with fists of iron ninja spy enhancement.

Looking forward to your feedback to improve the concept here. Thanks.

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I'm not an expert build guru, so I'd only have a couple of things to say about your direction, because so much of this game is so open and you really should build to purpose and season to taste.

1.) You specifically want to test your cure light...but you put very, very little into your heal skill. To me, you either invest in the skill or you don't. Your gains will likely be marginal at the outside. Spot is handy, but can easily be buffed with good spotters (goggs). I, personally, love me some Spot, but you are taking it over something you've stated to be a build objective; maximizing your cure light wounds. Also, it should be noted that with a good devo item and heal skill maximization, your healing curse finisher can be more than a substitute cure light...though with only 6 monk levels, you've self-limited your total healing finisher potential.
2.) Did you feel like your to-hit was going to be compromised so badly that you had to add GWF? I could see GWS here for the extra damage (get it where you can), but your to-hit will be quite sufficient without spending another precious feat on it.

[Cardtrick]

2.) Did you feel like your to-hit was going to be compromised so badly that you had to add GWF? I could see GWS here for the extra damage (get it where you can), but your to-hit will be quite sufficient without spending another precious feat on it.

It's a prerequisite for the tier 4 kensai weapon group specialization enhancement, which in turn is a prerequisite for Keen Edge.

This is the somewhat unfortunate thing about fighters -- yes, they get bonus feats; but they also have somewhat useless feat prerequisites for their enhancements.

[JOTMON]

I'm not an expert build guru, so I'd only have a couple of things to say about your direction, because so much of this game is so open and you really should build to purpose and season to taste.

1.) You specifically want to test your cure light...but you put very, very little into your heal skill. To me, you either invest in the skill or you don't. Your gains will likely be marginal at the outside. Spot is handy, but can easily be buffed with good spotters (goggs). I, personally, love me some Spot, but you are taking it over something you've stated to be a build objective; maximizing your cure light wounds. Also, it should be noted that with a good devo item and heal skill maximization, your healing curse finisher can be more than a substitute cure light...though with only 6 monk levels, you've self-limited your total healing finisher potential.
2.) Did you feel like your to-hit was going to be compromised so badly that you had to add GWF? I could see GWS here for the extra damage (get it where you can), but your to-hit will be quite sufficient without spending another precious feat on it.

1. Personally I would cap the heal skill investment, but Realistically the difference is insignificant.
When I add up his infestment by level I see the OP is showing 19 points out of the possible 23 point investment into heal... total looks different on his summary..
Heal skill is only a class skill for paladin levels and cross class for all other life level ups based on combination chosen here.
It is an insignificant difference considering random weapon/ Gear can be acquired at level 28 to give +120+., Maximize gives another 150... so should be able to hit 300+ spell power without any work.
The difference between 300+ spell power and 304+ spell power is miniscule.

I would probably max Heal and tweak the jump as jump caps at 40 regardless of buffs. so typically only invest enough into jump.. with a standing end str of 28 would give +9 and jump spell/clickie of +30.. cwould only need 1 point in jump to hit cap.


2. as above poster said. it is a prereq for Kensai centered weapon.. so it is required for this build.

[XodousRoC]

It's a prerequisite for the tier 4 kensai weapon group specialization enhancement, which in turn is a prerequisite for Keen Edge.

This is the somewhat unfortunate thing about fighters -- yes, they get bonus feats; but they also have somewhat useless feat prerequisites for their enhancements.

Duly noted. It really is unfortunate the OP has to go that route. There are much more beneficial feats that could be taken in this spot without that requirement. I do see where the devs were at with the requirement...I just don't agree with it due to the relative lack of merit it has to the function of a class with full BAB.