Silver Flame & most Favor Rewards are near Worthless by time you get them

[Powskier]

Small issue for most players,but I'd like my fighter to be able to access Silver Flame Pots sooner than 400 favor.Four or Five dungeons are mandatory multi player,some need four players.Don't you think they would be usefull in thelvl dungeons DDO? Then We relife.... & We ned to do all that again ,Elite of course,to access a freakin healin potion...smone needs to rethink rewards for favor,Silver Flame isnt the only worthless one(we dont need the daemn pots when we are twentysmthin lvl ,runnin EDs)

[mobrien316]

Small issue for most players,but I'd like my fighter to be able to access Silver Flame Pots sooner than 400 favor.Four or Five dungeons are mandatory multi player,some need four players.Don't you think they would be usefull in thelvl dungeons DDO? Then We relife.... & We ned to do all that again ,Elite of course,to access a freakin healin potion...smone needs to rethink rewards for favor,Silver Flame isnt the only worthless one(we dont need the daemn pots when we are twentysmthin lvl ,runnin EDs)

They could certainly let you stack more than ten SF pots. That would make a lot of sense to me.

But 400 favor? You get to that point by the time you run Necro III, perhaps sooner. By that time you are level 15 or 16, usually. I don't really see a need for SF pots much below that level.

[Fedora1]

I kinda have to agree with the OP on the silver flame pots. A pure fighter (or barb or whatever) has a heck of a time from L10ish on up when CSW don't keep up. And 400 SF favor is a grind for a pure melee because of the ugly necro 2-3 quests. Personally I got my pure horc fighter to L20 (okay 27 now) without ever getting 400 SF favor. Just too much of a pain.

[Cardtrick]

Silver Flame pots actually remain useful (for some builds) right up through cap. In fact, they remain irreplaceable. Ask high-level barbarians how else they plan to heal while raged . . .

You want to talk useless favor rewards, take a look at Free Agents. +5 tools are available from the auction house cheaply at level 1. What is anyone ever going to use the Free Agent vendor for?

[unbongwah]

But 400 favor? You get to that point by the time you run Necro III, perhaps sooner. By that time you are level 15 or 16, usually. I don't really see a need for SF pots much below that level.

Counter-points: not everyone has the Necro quests; not everyone can make it to lvl 15/16 before acquiring "good" self-healing; some of us really hate running the Necro quests.

[Fedora1]

You want to talk useless favor rewards, take a look at Free Agents. +5 tools are available from the auction house cheaply at level 1. What is anyone ever going to use the Free Agent vendor for?

Dude! Who doesn't love the +5 healing kits?

[FestusHood]

This is really only a problem on your first life. You can load your tr cache up with them, even at only 10 a stack. Don't rely on them for every healing situation, just the ones where you actually need that much burst healing.

[Impaqt]

They could certainly let you stack more than ten SF pots. That would make a lot of sense to me.

But 400 favor? You get to that point by the time you run Necro III, perhaps sooner. By that time you are level 15 or 16, usually. I don't really see a need for SF pots much below that level.

Every Silver Flame quest through Necro three would net you 330 Favor if you completed them all on Elite.


so no. Not really all that close even.

[unbongwah]

Every Silver Flame quest through Necro three would net you 330 Favor if you completed them all on Elite.

Looking at the Silver Flame quests, I think you need to run everything thru Inferno on Elite, then run Litany on at least Normal to hit 400+ Favor. In theory you can do that by lvl 12, but in practice...well, if you're playing on a build that's going to rely on SF pots for healing, how likely will you be able to handle Necro IV elite @ lvl 12? And if your build can handle Necro IV elites, why do you need SF pots in the first place?

[Qhualor]

Looking at the Silver Flame quests, I think you need to run everything thru Inferno on Elite, then run Litany on at least Normal to hit 400+ Favor. In theory you can do that by lvl 12, but in practice...well, if you're playing on a build that's going to rely on SF pots for healing, how likely will you be able to handle Necro IV elite @ lvl 12? And if your build can handle Necro IV elites, why do you need SF pots in the first place?

true, but it would also depend on if you are interested in playing epics or not. for melees that depend on pots for self healing, SF pots are the best we can get and there is a big difference between heroic and epics. sure there are twist options, but really SF pots are still the best option and most reliable.

[mobrien316]

Every Silver Flame quest through Necro three would net you 330 Favor if you completed them all on Elite.


so no. Not really all that close even.

My mistake. I meant the Orchard quests. You would be running those at level 15 or 16 at most; the Necro III quests would be done at more like level 12 or 13. Without even running Ascension Chamber you are over 400.

[danotmano1998]

Don't you think they would be usefull in the lvl dungeons DDO?
Then We relife.... & We ned to do all that again

Do like most folks do..
Buy a stack of them when you are epic.
Use them for your next life.
Repeat.


DDO is cram full of things that are nearly useless when you get them, but are great on your next life.

[Thalone]

I run TR lives running most content, including all elite Necro quests, in quest-level order. I do not get access to SF pots until I run Litany for the first time. For melee TR lives, I make sure to get some SF pots before doing Running with the Devils.

That being said, none of the necro quests require multiple human players, though a few are difficult if you don't know the tricks. The one in Necro 1 with the pressure plates, you can use hires/pets to activate plates, or trip/leave corpses on them. The one in Necro 2 with the split levers can be done with a hire/pet and then calling them to you to carry on with the second set of levers. The altar with the split levers in Cursed Crypt (Necro 3) can again be pulled with a hire/pet. The end fight for GoP and the switches at the end of Fleshmaker (I routinely dualbox this--one account a charmer--and two hires; I suspect a sufficiently dextrous person could do it by themselves with one or two hires) are better with a party, certainly, but Necro 4 quests are very popular and you shouldn't have issues filling a group for them.

[Powskier]

I run TR lives running most content, including all elite Necro quests, in quest-level order. I do not get access to SF pots until I run Litany for the first time. For melee TR lives, I make sure to get some SF pots before doing Running with the Devils.

That being said, none of the necro quests require multiple human players, though a few are difficult if you don't know the tricks. The one in Necro 1 with the pressure plates, you can use hires/pets to activate plates, or trip/leave corpses on them. The one in Necro 2 with the split levers can be done with a hire/pet and then calling them to you to carry on with the second set of levers. The altar with the split levers in Cursed Crypt (Necro 3) can again be pulled with a hire/pet. The end fight for GoP and the switches at the end of Fleshmaker (I routinely dualbox this--one account a charmer--and two hires; I suspect a sufficiently dextrous person could do it by themselves with one or two hires) are better with a party, certainly, but Necro 4 quests are very popular and you shouldn't have issues filling a group for them.

but,how can i justify the time it takes ,just to figure the levers that are working,and which and,where? .You really need multiple players to learn your way through .I can get way more xps,slammin gianthold elites,w a saga bonus now too.I guess it is the time it takes I have a problem with.Also ,without a decent party ,only tha baddest assss players could even consider the solo option at lvl.

[jaegarnel]

but,how can i justify the time it takes ,just to figure the levers that are working,and which and,where? .You really need multiple players to learn your way through .I can get way more xps,slammin gianthold elites,w a saga bonus now too.I guess it is the time it takes I have a problem with.Also ,without a decent party ,only tha baddest assss players could even consider the solo option at lvl.

So do favor runs over level. Seriously, what's the problem here?
Silver flame pots are not useless at all, in fact they're extremely useful both to some melee builds in epics and for TRing. It's perfectly normal that they should take some effort to get.

Do you want greensteel without running Shroud too?

[Fedora1]

So do favor runs over level. Seriously, what's the problem here?

Main problem is that the necro quests are just a PITA (especially considering the number of them that require multiple players), and it is difficult to get 400 favor in time for your average melee who needs them before epic levels.

Do you want greensteel without running Shroud too?

Dumb statement. He never once indicated he wanted silver flame pots without running silver flame quests.

[Fedora1]

DDO is cram full of things that are nearly useless when you get them, but are great on your next life.

Yeah this is true.

[RD2play]

Small issue for most players,but I'd like my fighter to be able to access Silver Flame Pots sooner than 400 favor.Four or Five dungeons are mandatory multi player,some need four players.Don't you think they would be usefull in thelvl dungeons DDO? Then We relife.... & We ned to do all that again ,Elite of course,to access a freakin healin potion...smone needs to rethink rewards for favor,Silver Flame isnt the only worthless one(we dont need the daemn pots when we are twentysmthin lvl ,runnin EDs)

The thing that boggles my mind is that you gain acces to both the lesser and the regular SF pots at the 400F reward. It would seem more logical to grant the lesser as a lower favor reward (250F??). So to get the lessers earlier and keep the regular SF pots at the 400F reward.

[Fedora1]

The thing that boggles my mind is that you gain acces to both the lesser and the regular SF pots at the 400F reward. It would seem more logical to grant the lesser as a lower favor reward (250F??). So to get the lessers earlier and keep the regular SF pots at the 400F reward.

Yeah agreed. It seems to be the way with a lot of favor rewards not making sense. The tier 2 favor for House J is exactly the same as the tier 1 favor for house P. lol