Wow, thanks for testing those out. Yeah, I kind of thought Ranger wouldn't help much. I think it would great if you were going to build something that would go from manishot to EF and back.Originally Posted by Choopak
RE: your build above. Just a couple of questions: you're only lvl 16, but putting an awfully lot into spell damage. Will you be able to do a lot of damage w/only 16 lvls of artie? I guess most of the top out at pretty low levels, so you'll still be boosting your damage as much as a pure artie. But, I'm wondering if you're going to use the spells for CC, then maybe it would be worth focusing on DCs rather than damage output, since you should be able to squeeze a bit more damage out of the rune arm.
If you're building to fit in evasion, it might be worth splashing only 2 monk - that will give you slightly better damage with your rune arm and a couple more spells. Tac/det doesn't have a max level, and prismatic strike caps at 20, so those are the only two you'd be doing less damage on.
However, if you're building to max xbow dps, you might consider dropping mental toughness, max, emp and toughness (toughness isn't really that necessary) to take cleave, great cleave, both for overwhelming critical, and greater spell focus: evocation. That would greatly buff your xbow damage and increase your rune arm damage (b/c less mobs would save against it) and increase your CC. This would also be a good reason to keep fighter 2
Just my 2 cents though.
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04-04-2014, 01:31 AM #21Community Member
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04-04-2014, 04:12 PM #22Community Member
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All good pointers Singular, i put a lot in spells power/ damage cause it's part of being an artificer, if i wanted to be a repeater master, i'll use a rog10/ran6/arti4 build and be a repeater monkcher Originally Posted by Singular
Wow, thanks for testing those out. Yeah, I kind of thought Ranger wouldn't help much. I think it would great if you were going to build something that would go from manishot to EF and back.
RE: your build above. Just a couple of questions: you're only lvl 16, but putting an awfully lot into spell damage. Will you be able to do a lot of damage w/only 16 lvls of artie? I guess most of the top out at pretty low levels, so you'll still be boosting your damage as much as a pure artie. But, I'm wondering if you're going to use the spells for CC, then maybe it would be worth focusing on DCs rather than damage output, since you should be able to squeeze a bit more damage out of the rune arm.
If you're building to fit in evasion, it might be worth splashing only 2 monk - that will give you slightly better damage with your rune arm and a couple more spells. Tac/det doesn't have a max level, and prismatic strike caps at 20, so those are the only two you'd be doing less damage on.
However, if you're building to max xbow dps, you might consider dropping mental toughness, max, emp and toughness (toughness isn't really that necessary) to take cleave, great cleave, both for overwhelming critical, and greater spell focus: evocation. That would greatly buff your xbow damage and increase your rune arm damage (b/c less mobs would save against it) and increase your CC. This would also be a good reason to keep fighter 2
Just my 2 cents though. I don't know how much damage an arti16 can do, was hoping someone here would give feedback from experience... I'm mostly interested in damage, CC is good at lower levels, but lose it efficiency at epic, while DPS is DPS.
Taking cleave and great cleave would require me to boost up my STR by a lot! If i do that, might as well go Juggernaut and melee.
Monk2 is not only for evasion (it is the main reason) but for defense also. Monk give a nice dodge bonus, stances, and better saves. splashing only 2 levels is an option, and there surely 1 or 10 builds on the forums on that topic.
Thanks man, will run more tests, read more posts, and update my findings...
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04-04-2014, 09:27 PM #23Community Member
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Hey, no problem. I decided that when they nerf BT I'm going to follow the advice I gave above and respec around the xbow for one etr life, just to see how much dps I can do. It won't be soon, since I'm keeping my mains at cap farming Thunderholme, but I'll let you know how it works out. Originally Posted by Choopak
All good pointers Singular, i put a lot in spells power/ damage cause it's part of being an artificer, if i wanted to be a repeater master, i'll use a rog10/ran6/arti4 build and be a repeater monkcher I don't know how much damage an arti16 can do, was hoping someone here would give feedback from experience... I'm mostly interested in damage, CC is good at lower levels, but lose it efficiency at epic, while DPS is DPS.
Taking cleave and great cleave would require me to boost up my STR by a lot! If i do that, might as well go Juggernaut and melee.
Monk2 is not only for evasion (it is the main reason) but for defense also. Monk give a nice dodge bonus, stances, and better saves. splashing only 2 levels is an option, and there surely 1 or 10 builds on the forums on that topic.
Thanks man, will run more tests, read more posts, and update my findings...
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04-06-2014, 10:09 PM #24Community Member
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Come man hurry up!! TR already :0) Originally Posted by Singular
Read, yet, another post on arti dam vs spells vs runearms... Came to a sad conclusion: arti = bard! Bard use to be good, spec warchanter, now they're a support class... Nothing wrong with that but...
Artificer have it a little better, but, like bard, they are now force to chose: spells damage, spell DC, runarms or DPS (either melee or range) After follwing your discussion with Cthru and the others, it just hit me: arti have to focus on an aspect to excel. They can still be "generalist" and perform decently, but to be good, aka end game viable, they have to specialize.
Oki boring stuff out, now what??? Remember i said BF was not an option cause they cost to much in AP to be effective... Well it's true IF you try to do it all. But if you specialize, like in x-bow damage... you'll have the AP.
So let's assume an arti16/monk2/fig2... forget about the bonus feats and all the rest... think damage...
With this split, you have 6th level arti spells, your damage will be lower for a couple of them (already explain earlier) BUT your DC are the same.
If you focus only on DC for CC, no need to boost your spell damge, as much, freeing AP.
Fun thing about BF, self reconstruct, so even with only 2 6th level spelss, you'll stil lhave the best self healing of the game, period! For spells i'll grab: deadly and T/D.
Power of the forge, require 15 AP in BF tree... it's worth it! go a bit more and grab +2 racial seeker and weapon attchment.
Invest in BE, go as deep as usual, it's the runearm/ x-bow tree.
Pick up fighter's haste boost, extra boost and other damage oriented enhancements.
Use your extra feats on school focus - evocation, GSF - evotion and other "magic stuff" add on.
Overall you get a pump up bad ass looking BF, with good x-bow runearm damage and good CC ability (while retaining trap skills and buff) losing only spells damage from a few spells...
Worth considering, what you think?
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04-07-2014, 12:14 AM #25Community Member
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Hey man... bored again, so... been hoping fron your thread to Cthru's thread and i'm still not deicded... Originally Posted by Singular
You and i seems to be on the same page according to the way of boosting damage: via x-bow damage...
But i have a question: do you believe pure is still the way? or multiclassing is necessary?
Even if the tests shows some good ameliorations, the cost are not fully known, and i fear that without propoer actual gaming experience, play time!, we won't know for sure.
Your build and Cthru's one are 2 pure builds, very succesful, and comparable (feats, spells and enhancements)
Calling to every arti out there, if you are, been multi class, is it worth it? or staying pure is still the best way to be?
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04-10-2014, 01:47 AM #26Community Member
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Originally Posted by Choopak
Uhm...I apologize. I just sort of lost my interest and very likely won't be spending the time doing so. I made the mistake of trying ESO. Every so often, I run each of my mains through the double dragon raid, but that's kind of all I'm giving to this game now.
I think you're right.Read, yet, another post on arti dam vs spells vs runearms... Came to a sad conclusion: arti = bard! Bard use to be good, spec warchanter, now they're a support class... Nothing wrong with that but...
Artificer have it a little better, but, like bard, they are now force to chose: spells damage, spell DC, runarms or DPS (either melee or range) After follwing your discussion with Cthru and the others, it just hit me: arti have to focus on an aspect to excel. They can still be "generalist" and perform decently, but to be good, aka end game viable, they have to specialize.
Probably the nicest bit about wf and bf is that they don't have to take cocoon. So you have an extra fate slot open for dps, saves or what have you. I suspect that alone makes wf/bf more viable in EE.Oki boring stuff out, now what??? Remember i said BF was not an option cause they cost to much in AP to be effective... Well it's true IF you try to do it all. But if you specialize, like in x-bow damage... you'll have the AP.
So let's assume an arti16/monk2/fig2... forget about the bonus feats and all the rest... think damage...
With this split, you have 6th level arti spells, your damage will be lower for a couple of them (already explain earlier) BUT your DC are the same.
If you focus only on DC for CC, no need to boost your spell damge, as much, freeing AP.
Fun thing about BF, self reconstruct, so even with only 2 6th level spelss, you'll stil lhave the best self healing of the game, period! For spells i'll grab: deadly and T/D.
Power of the forge, require 15 AP in BF tree... it's worth it! go a bit more and grab +2 racial seeker and weapon attchment.
Invest in BE, go as deep as usual, it's the runearm/ x-bow tree.
Pick up fighter's haste boost, extra boost and other damage oriented enhancements.
Use your extra feats on school focus - evocation, GSF - evotion and other "magic stuff" add on.
Overall you get a pump up bad ass looking BF, with good x-bow runearm damage and good CC ability (while retaining trap skills and buff) losing only spells damage from a few spells...
Worth considering, what you think?
If I was going to invest as much time as I used to in this game, and I'm not, then I'd try the multiclass xbow path that you've outlined (except, never toaster!) but w/overwhelming critical and a focus on sneak attack damage via the ring of lies or golden circlet. Originally Posted by Choopak
However, for myself, I prefer the pures. I like finding item/enhancement and feat combos that make EE builds. Plus, the generalists can ... do it all
To figure out which is better, you're going to have to take into consideration how much dps you can do on an xbow build versus a generalist build. That entails matching all the bonuses you can squeeze into xbow + limited rune arm + aoe ED ability vrs xbow+rune arm+higher damaging aoe ED ability.
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11-05-2018, 01:59 AM #27Community Member
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Updated the build
I updated the build for U38 - on the first page.
And added an EQ selection that I think works best for x-bow arties.
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The EQ breakdown
Head: Legendary Executioner's Helm
Necklace: L. Rose Quartz Sigil Stone
Quiver: Epic Dynastic Quiver (want to change to Epic Purifying Quiver for the blunt ammunition to take advantage of Legendary Dreadnaught's Pulverizer)
Set bonus: Silent Avenger
Armor: L. Mist Laden Vestment
Cloak: L. Shadowhail Cloak
Belt: L. Braided Cutcord
Set bonus: Adherent of the Mists
Goggles: L. Garstone's Lenses
Ring 1: L. Ring of Nightfall
Ring 2: L. Keylock Ring
Boots: L. Shadow's Footsteps
Trinket: Bell of Warding (I'd like to change it to Echo of Ravenkind)
Set bonus: Renegade Mastermaker
Bracers: L. Construct Champion's Bands
Rune Arm: L. Quarantine
X-bow: L. Stormreach Guardian's Crossbow
For extra disabling:
Tinkerer’s Goggles and Gloves (+5 exceptional to open lock and disable, respectively)
Wolfinson’s Monocular Enhancer (+5 exceptional to search)
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