Update 21: uninstalled here...how about you? (a poll)

[blerkington]

Hi,

This whole akami thing irritated me to the point where I got pylotro, and I'm not going through with my planned purchases of additional inventory space on a couple of my characters.

This whole thing has been handled really badly by Turbine. For some reasons, it seems to be impossible for the company to learn from its past mistakes like these, and their communication with the community is just woeful.

Thanks.

[Coyopa]

I have uninstalled Akamai. We will see if it re-installs after starting the computer tomorrow (and without launching DDO). If it does, I will dig deeper and find a way to get rid of it and then I will get rid of DDO, too - simply because re-installing itself is a hallmark of a virus and I just don't care enough to use a program that requires me to use another program that behaves like that.

[Nevermere]

I paid you for a service.
I no longer do.

[GoatSoap]

Cancelled both of my VIP's. You'd think I would have learned a lot sooner than now. At least they only got me for 2 months worth this time around. Oh well.

[SiliconScout]

I paid you for a service.
I no longer do.

sure you do. See I am sure they are being paid by Akami to mine data on your PC. Even if you uninstall the game but not akami they still get paid. Pretty sweet setup huh.

Granted the above was pure speculation but at this point all research says this is indeed what is going on.

Smart business decision on one hand because a percentage of people who try and leave or abandon the game will not remove akami and thus they will still get paid. So long as the $ lost in customers is less than the money gained by the spyware it's a net win for them.

[Tarrell]

I've uninstalled DDO thanks to the need to install software not previously needed to play the game, and the shady EULA from Akamai. How about you? I'll start with 1, reply with ascending numbers to show that you too are not happy, and send a message.

Cancelled my VIP as well. Don't want third party malware on my PC thanks.

[Tarrell]

You people crack me up. Seriously, you're letting a harmless program that is used by large corporations as a means to transfer large amounts of data to multiple clients get you THAT upset...it's comical. Seriously, I have schizophrenia, and the paranoia you guys are presenting is making even me go "really?!"

You are somebody who likes to bend over and take it from anybody, anywhere, without question.

We're not.

[Lycurgus]

Uninstalled earlier, off to enjoy EQ:L/N.

[Sub_Optimal]

I am finished with DDO also. You could have my stuff, but since I will not be logging on anymore, I cannot transfer it to you.

[Theboz]

If you don't want anything Akamai on your computer then don't go to any of these sites either then. Some notable Apple, BestBuy, McAfee.com, Microsoft, NASA.gov, NFL, ESPN, FedEx, Verizon wireless, U.S. Department of the Treasury, Yahoo!

http://www.akamai.com/html/customers/customer_list.html

[SilkofDrasnia]

If you don't want anything Akamai on your computer then don't go to any of these sites either then. Some notable Apple, BestBuy, McAfee.com, Microsoft, NASA.gov, NFL, ESPN, FedEx, Verizon wireless, U.S. Department of the Treasury, Yahoo!

http://www.akamai.com/html/customers/customer_list.html

There a big difference between connecting to a website that pays Akamai to use their servers and whatnot and actually having Akamai netsession installed on your pc.

[Orratti]

If I understand how it works correctly Akamai runs servers across the world so that they can deliver information more quickly to our computers because each server holds duplicates of the information and sends it via the closest server. The interface program however allows them to store information on computers that are receiving information from their servers that can be accessed by anyone downloading from Akamai at anytime. Is that correct? It also uses your bandwidth to do so is that also correct? I believe some countries/internet services also determine internet charges by the amount of bandwidth used is this also correct? If so does this program factor into those charges or is it paid by Akamai? If not and you are getting charged yeah I could see that being irritating. As irritating as having your neighbors jumping your wireless. It looks like though that if you don't trust their upload security you will get nailed by their servers sooner or later even without the interface program and anything they store on your computer is only going to be outgoing to other computers and receiving only from their servers that you probably already have downloaded from before at other times. That is if I am grasping how it works correctly from Wikipedia. Have I missed anything?

Don't get me wrong I don't like any program running on my computer that I'm not using. I just want to see if I understand properly what the program is doing. If they want to store information for their use I would rather it be on a computer that THEY bought, not mine. But I don't have to worry about that as DDO has been gone from mine for a while now.

[alvarego]

If you don't want anything Akamai on your computer then don't go to any of these sites either then. Some notable Apple, BestBuy, McAfee.com, Microsoft, NASA.gov, NFL, ESPN, FedEx, Verizon wireless, U.S. Department of the Treasury, Yahoo!

http://www.akamai.com/html/customers/customer_list.html

Is funny how you guys take the advertising of the own software developer and dump it here like it's The Bible or something? it's advertising made to convince you on how good their software is, and about all that so impressive list of big companies, tell me ONE of them who forces you to install the Akamai netsession to use their software ...

[SilkofDrasnia]

If I understand how it works correctly Akamai runs servers across the world so that they can deliver information more quickly to our computers because each server holds duplicates of the information and sends it via the closest server.

Yes

The interface program however allows them to store information on computers that are receiving information from their servers that can be accessed by anyone downloading from Akamai at anytime. Is that correct?

Net session can collect information from you, presumably for marketing data mining yes.

It also uses your bandwidth to do so is that also correct? Yes it is a p2p and can DL or UP. We have been told the P2P portion has been blocked/not installed for DDO. Accepting their terms though pretty much mean they can turn that back on when they want and not notify us

I believe some countries/internet services also determine internet charges by the amount of bandwidth used is this also correct?
Yes, in the cold country I live in we have bandwidth caps, mine happens to be 125GB per month and I come close to it rather often, I get charger 1.50$ for every GB I go over.

If so does this program factor into those charges or is it paid by Akamai? In my country my bandwitdh is my problem so any Downlaods or uploads I pay for if I go over.

Download: Information that is transferred from the Internet to your computer. Examples of downloads:

Listening to a song on a website
Watching a video online
Receiving email
Surfing online

Upload: Information that is sent from your computer to the Internet. Examples of uploads:

Sending email
Posting pictures on a website

This includes any packets sent to or from a game or via Akamai itself, since it connects to the net on your pc boot up it is using your bandwitdh.


If not and you are getting charged yeah I could see that being irritating. As irritating as having your neighbors jumping your wireless. It looks like though that if you don't trust their upload security you will get nailed by their servers sooner or later even without the interface program and anything they store on your computer is only going to be outgoing to other computers and receiving only from their servers that you probably already have downloaded from before at other times. That is if I am grasping how it works correctly from Wikipedia. Have I missed anything?

There no real good reason for Turbine to make the ddo client require akamai to be active during game play, they could easily make it work like pando where for big downloads we install Akamai patch then delete Akamai via our CP like we were able to for pando.

[humbleroller]

I have set my firewall to block Akamai, and then i uninstalled it and cleaned my registry.
DDO is still there but I cant play it. Its that simple. So I guess i am out for a while.

[AzB]

Me and some other folks had a great time playing tonight. We really enjoyed the new quests.

Been VIP since the beginning and don't see any real reason to cancel... If the Akamai thing turns out to be an issue, I'll deal with it then. Meanwhile, it doesn't seem to be a big problem and I'm having fun!

[Orratti]

There no real good reason for Turbine to make the ddo client require akamai to be active during game play, they could easily make it work like pando where for big downloads we install Akamai patch then delete Akamai via our CP like we were able to for pando.

Doesn't even look like they would need to do that. Download information would just come directly from their servers wouldn't it? Yeah if this is something you don't want on your computer then you have every reason to be upset because it isn't needed to update the game. Good luck.

[SilkofDrasnia]

Me and some other folks had a great time playing tonight. We really enjoyed the new quests.

Been VIP since the beginning and don't see any real reason to cancel... If the Akamai thing turns out to be an issue, I'll deal with it then. Meanwhile, it doesn't seem to be a big problem and I'm having fun!

I hear the Thunderholme areas was quite laggy. How was it for you?

[SilkofDrasnia]

Doesn't even look like they would need to do that. Download information would just come directly from their servers wouldn't it? Yeah if this is something you don't want on your computer then you have every reason to be upset because it isn't needed to update the game. Good luck.

Aye they could do like mircosoft but my guess it's cheaper for Turbine if they make us install the net session manure as it gives Akamai a chance to sniff around our PC's That's just pure speculation on my part though.

Still I could put up with an occasional sniff if we could uninstall after the initial client installation like we we could with Pando!

Full on full time sniffing of my person I do not like though!

[AzB]

I hear the Thunderholme areas was quite laggy. How was it for you?

No problem, I did not get into the raids yet though.

I suspect there was some network slowdown or maybe a lot of people logging in for a short period early this evening. I was trying to get one of my toons straightened out gear wise and experienced some massive lag in the marketplace on the ship for about 20-30 minutes. I wonder if it was the same time people were experiencing lag in the T-holme.