Guild Acquisition Proposal

[MuleAxe]

SLAG would like to solicit a guild for purchase; the detailed acquisition pricing schedule is available upon request.


The explanation of pricing tiers is such:

1. For guild level 1 through 30, the price offered is 5,000 Platinum per level, resulting in 150,000 Platinum for a level 30 guild.

2. For guild level 31 through 47, there will be a bonus of 10,000 Platinum in addition to the 5,000 for levels 1 through 30, resulting in 780,000 for a level 47 guild.

3. For level 48 through 77, there will be an additional bonus of 15,000 Platinum in addition to the preceding 10,000 and 5,000 Platinum per level prices, resulting in 2,870,000 Platinum for a level 77 guild.

4. For levels 78 through 100, there will be an additional bonus of 25,000 Platinum per level in addition to all preceding bonus levels, resulting in 4,135,000 Platinum for a level 100 guild.


Retention of membership

All current guild members are welcome to stay, and all current officers are welcome to stay on as officers of the guild. The only leadership or membership that will change through the acquisition is the swapping out of guild leaders.


Assumption of command

Once half of the total price is provided to the selling guild leader, the SLAG Guild Leader will be invited into the acquired guild, granted officer status, then made successor. When this happens, the current guild leader will resign leadership, granting the SLAG guild leader leadership of said guild. Once this happens, the remainder of monies will be paid to departing guild leader.


Further negotiations

When an agreement is made and monies exchanged, there will be no further negotiations or levies for additional compensation. Compensation will be made to the guild leader, and they are free to distribute to the build members, or retain for themselves; it’s their choice.


Engagement

If you are a current guild leader, and If these terms and conditions are acceptable to you, contact me via PM, or in-game on Muleaxe. I will be happy to provide a full pricing schedule to qualified and interested parties.

[Spookyaction]

2.8 million plat for a level 70 guild? I could farm that plat in a few days of loot runs. Farming enough renouwn for level 70 is more like 6 months if you have half a dozen people that play hours everyday.. Your offer turns my stomach. If someone was offering a guild for sale at level 70 I would pay them 25 million plat for it without any problem.

[SardaofChaos]

If you have people interested in actually being a guild, make one and grind out some sagas. Nobody is going to sell you a guild for these prices, and you'd be hard priced to find someone selling a level 50+ guild at any price. By the time you get a response to this (likely someone with a level 10 guild they no longer care about) you could have a level 30 guild easy.

Of course, judging from the state of your guild site, you are the only member. In that case, there are plenty of guilds that already meet all the requirements you've laid out that would happily accept you. (This is not an invitation; my guild is for people I know personally.)

[MuleAxe]

Valid points; an active guild would not consider something like this, and that is understood. But, someone who has a guild that has little to no activity, and they're contemplating disbanding, or something else, this provides a viable option. There's no need to look at this any other way than providing someone an opportunity to get a little something for a guild they are no longer working to build. I'm personally looking for the level 55 to 60 range to grow, and help build into something special. If an acquisition doesn't pan out, no problem - I'll build my own. If you think it's a bad deal, don't consider it; that's your prerogative.

[Spookyaction]

Compensation will be made to the guild leader, and they are free to distribute to the build members, or retain for themselves; it’s their choice.

Your sig links to a page about building a guild yet you clearly have no consideration for members of a guild. Why would anyone join your guild if at any moment you might pack up shop and sell it for a few million plat? Interesting way to introduce yourself to a new community.

[MuleAxe]

Your sig links to a page about building a guild yet you clearly have no consideration for members of a guild. Why would anyone join your guild if at any moment you might pack up shop and sell it for a few million plat? Interesting way to introduce yourself to a new community.

Please read the whole thing and keep it in context. After that, I clarified in my next post. This is a positive thing for a guild that is about to go under, I'm offering to take it off their hands. And, I'm wanting to make it work, and put more effort into it than they were able to. Nothing negative here, believe me there is no malintent.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

You have GOT to be kidding me. rotflmao!

You should EARN the right through due diligence to be a guild leader. If you buy a guild with game money... and they all leave, what exactly is the value of your purchase?

[blerkington]

Hi,

This is an interesting topic. I guess it's good practice to lowball on your offer, but your offers seem really low.

I think buying a level 100 guild for slightly over 4 million plat would be the deal of the year. There is no way in the world I'd part with my level 72 guild for only 2.5 million. That's chump change, even to someone like me who has never been a good trader in-game.

Although I doubt you want to hear it, I think you should be looking at offering Otto's boxes, goodly sized TP codes, or at the very least a selection of highly sought-after EE gear for anything at level 70 and above. You aren't doing anyone but yourself a favour by buying a high level guild and its airship for something as useless as a few million plat.

Failing that, just get to work levelling your own. With a dedicated team and no decay to slow you down, it shouldn't take long to get to the point where you have most of the worthwhile buffs.

Thanks.

[MuleAxe]

You have GOT to be kidding me. rotflmao!

You should EARN the right through due diligence to be a guild leader. If you buy a guild with game money... and they all leave, what exactly is the value of your purchase?

Hi,

This is an interesting topic. I guess it's good practice to lowball on your offer, but your offers seem really low.

I think buying a level 100 guild for slightly over 4 million plat would be the deal of the year. There is no way in the world I'd part with my level 72 guild for only 2.5 million. That's chump change, even to someone like me who has never been a good trader in-game.

Although I doubt you want to hear it, I think you should be looking at offering Otto's boxes, goodly sized TP codes, or at the very least a selection of highly sought-after EE gear for anything at level 70 and above. You aren't doing anyone but yourself a favour by buying a high level guild and its airship for something as useless as a few million plat.

Failing that, just get to work levelling your own. With a dedicated team and no decay to slow you down, it shouldn't take long to get to the point where you have most of the worthwhile buffs.

Thanks.

Interesting points, both of you - I appreciate you points of view. I almost feel I need to defend against every post else the intent of the original message will morph into something for which it was not intended. If someone is only interested in profit for something they worked so hard to build; and lets be honest here, a guild leader is only one person who put in the time to build something, then that's not the guild I'm interested in. The intent, as stated before, is to provide an "out" for someone who would otherwise let their guild go to waste. I would much rather spend real cash on the ship, enhancement, buffs, and prizes for in-guild events and contests.

If you think the intent is to jump at the first mid-level guild that put them selves up for sale, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm looking for a sound investment; more than a paltry sum offered, but the attitudes and desire of those involved. If a bad purchase is made (certainly not the intention) and everyone jumps ship upon acquisition, then at least there's a shell to work with; something that can be build on and shaped into something that can be fun and exciting for those involved. If this situation is something that is not outlined in my original ideas for the guild, then that vision can be changed to suit the current environment.

I really appreciate the thoughts and concerns of everyone replying to this thread, it provides me an opportunity to communicate thoughts and intent that might not have been clear in the original and subsequent posts. I won't shy away from them, nor will I lash out for different points of view; if you have questions or concerns, I am more than willing to address them in an open forum such as this.

[blerkington]

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Hi,

A very measured and mature response. Good luck with getting your new guild set up.

Thanks.

[avepepix]

MuleAxe A guild isnt valuable, you cant pay enough. The hours of fun we have with friends, and with another guilds. The runs naked in raids, the hours we spend doing xp repeating some quest for the guild to acquire lvl 80.

You must start from 0, create your own guild, work harder to make it a strong guild, a guild to anyone would like to join. If you buy a guild, you distroy the base of that guild. A guild isnt a company.

[Teh_Troll]

. . . what exactly is the value of your purchase?

An Airship.

[sephiroth1084]

What are you looking to get out of this purchase? Do you have friends you'd be bringing with you into the new guild? Do you just want access to the higher-level amenities? Why don't you just join a guild? If it's a matter of wanting to run events and stuff...you don't need to be guild leader to do that.

I can kind of understand when some shady schmuck wants to sell the guild they're heading, even if I think it's an awful thing to do, but buying a guild? Really, what reason is there to do this?

[MuleAxe]

MuleAxe A guild isnt valuable, you cant pay enough. The hours of fun we have with friends, and with another guilds. The runs naked in raids, the hours we spend doing xp repeating some quest for the guild to acquire lvl 80.

You must start from 0, create your own guild, work harder to make it a strong guild, a guild to anyone would like to join. If you buy a guild, you distroy the base of that guild. A guild isnt a company.

What are you looking to get out of this purchase? Do you have friends you'd be bringing with you into the new guild? Do you just want access to the higher-level amenities? Why don't you just join a guild? If it's a matter of wanting to run events and stuff...you don't need to be guild leader to do that.

I can kind of understand when some shady schmuck wants to sell the guild they're heading, even if I think it's an awful thing to do, but buying a guild? Really, what reason is there to do this?

Excellent points! Both have a measure of merit, and if you can bear with me for a couple moments, I’ll do my best to explain.

The fun of growing something doesn’t have to be from the beginning, it can easily begin at just about any entry point you want. If the guild is a shell, meaning there’s no activity at all, everyone has left the game or on an extended leave, then it’s pretty obvious what the possibilities are. If the guild is semi-functioning, then there is an opportunity to step in and effect some positive change, and help it start to move in a more positive direction.

There are some people out there that have had their fun building a guild only to have a player base go de-funct; causes could be that the leader didn’t pay enough attention to them, it could be that they were a group of RL friends that lost interest altogether. There are many reasons why someone would like to explore an option such as this.

Why would I want to purchase a guild rather than grow one from scratch? While I enjoy the process of growing something from the ground up, I also see the value in starting something where I have a distinct advantage. The advantage would be in recruiting people. People who enjoy playing the game, and are looking for the camaraderie, but might be stuck in a rut with their current situation, and are only sticking around for the perks.

I do not want to purchase a guild that will be betrayed by their guild leader for essentially selling them for a few plat. I’m looking for an opportunity to advance at a more rapid pace to be competitive in the marketplace.

As to the question as why not join a guild myself. There are a few reasons, first of which is that I enjoy the process of building. I’ve been a member of a few guilds that have had great people, but were missing some of the achievement based motivation. Many were full of a bunch of vet players that were on their tail end of playing the game, so they didn’t really put much stock or effort into growth. I know what my drive is, I know my level of motivation, and I have a strong desire to create something that is special; something the entire player base of the guild can be proud of. Can I do that as a member of another guild? Perhaps to varying degrees, but not to the level I feel comfortable with.

I hope that addressed both of your questions.

An Airship.

We still on for 10:00 Tonight?

[sephiroth1084]

As to the question as why not join a guild myself. There are a few reasons, first of which is that I enjoy the process of building. I’ve been a member of a few guilds that have had great people, but were missing some of the achievement based motivation. Many were full of a bunch of vet players that were on their tail end of playing the game, so they didn’t really put much stock or effort into growth. I know what my drive is, I know my level of motivation, and I have a strong desire to create something that is special; something the entire player base of the guild can be proud of. Can I do that as a member of another guild? Perhaps to varying degrees, but not to the level I feel comfortable with.

I hope that addressed both of your questions.

Personally, my only real interest in this thread died when I saw that you were being too level-headed in your responses to generate any really good drama.

Still, you'd probably have an easier time joining a smallish guild with a couple of people you've played with before and at least kind of know, and then see about getting promoted to officer status.

Your level of motivation and drive are entirely unrelated to owning a guild, or leading a guild. That's what I don't understand: what do you want to do that you can't do as a member or officer of a guild? Kick people? Ensure that you won't get kicked? That's about it. You can run events regardless of status. Your renown earning is the same irrespective of your position. I suppose if you want random people that have a problem with someone else in your guild sending you /tells that's something.

I'm not saying that a guild leader is irrelevant, but it's not required to do what it sounds like you want to do. If you find someone that wants to sell you a guild, that's fine, but if it isn't a shell, and has people in it, well...how much do you want to part of a group that was led by such a mercenary figure? Besides, if someone were to sell you their guild, I'd wager that the guild is probably not in good standing with the rest of the community on the server.

For instance, there have been several large guilds on Khyber in the past (including one very large, rather notorious guild) that were known for basically trolling Korthos for new members, had no real structure, quality control, or unifying identity or purpose, and players from those guilds were by and large considered downright awful to group with and were avoided. I'm sure some individual players may have been worthwhile to group with, maybe even great people and good players, but because they displayed a certain guild's name, were declined from groups. One of those guilds collapsed on itself after a time (I think it was up around level 80). Would you want to buy something like that, only to have to spend a good deal of time and effort fighting against the stigma attached to that guild name? Sure, names can be rehabilitated, but it's an uphill battle.

[Eth]

Personally, my only real interest in this thread died when I saw that you were being too level-headed in your responses to generate any really good drama.

Call me disappointed, this thread had some real nice drama potential.

[thakorian]

Call me disappointed, this thread had some real nice drama potential.

I came here to say to Eth not to sell omni just yet but was sorely disappointed, ye sneaky bugger.

[Eth]

I came here to say to Eth not to sell omni just yet but was sorely disappointed, ye sneaky bugger.

Dunno - if anyone is interested in a level 100 guild - I accept tasty hams, lump of coals and cosmetic hats as payment.
But I'm not the leader...****..

[MuleAxe]

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to address your questions. I'm breaking down a few things you wrote; not to call you out, but so I can make sure I address the major points accurately.

Your level of motivation and drive are entirely unrelated to owning a guild, or leading a guild.

In my view, a Guild Leader is just that, a Leader; someone who has the drive and motivation to be able to hold things together and keep things moving in the right direction. I've seen on several occasions when a guild falls apart because of a lack of leadership. As you alluded to, however, the guild leader can't do it all by them selvels, they need a strong core of individuals who are as passionate about the guild and have bought in to the camaraderie. It's that guild leader who is the primary motivator and the one who provides a vision and purpose, and they in turn rely on the core group to support that vision and purpose.

That's what I don't understand: what do you want to do that you can't do as a member or officer of a guild? Kick people? Ensure that you won't get kicked? That's about it. You can run events regardless of status. Your renown earning is the same irrespective of your position. I suppose if you want random people that have a problem with someone else in your guild sending you /tells that's something.

There's more to it than being able to perform certain administrative actions or being the focal point of adverse actions. That's kind of the ugly part of the job that is certainly not desirable. But, it it means making some administrative changes for grievous rule violations, then decisions need to be made.

I'm not saying that a guild leader is irrelevant, but it's not required to do what it sounds like you want to do. If you find someone that wants to sell you a guild, that's fine, but if it isn't a shell, and has people in it, well...how much do you want to part of a group that was led by such a mercenary figure? Besides, if someone were to sell you their guild, I'd wager that the guild is probably not in good standing with the rest of the community on the server.

For instance, there have been several large guilds on Khyber in the past (including one very large, rather notorious guild) that were known for basically trolling Korthos for new members, had no real structure, quality control, or unifying identity or purpose, and players from those guilds were by and large considered downright awful to group with and were avoided. I'm sure some individual players may have been worthwhile to group with, maybe even great people and good players, but because they displayed a certain guild's name, were declined from groups. One of those guilds collapsed on itself after a time (I think it was up around level 80). Would you want to buy something like that, only to have to spend a good deal of time and effort fighting against the stigma attached to that guild name? Sure, names can be rehabilitated, but it's an uphill battle.

Completely understand where you are coming from. Part of making a decision like this would be to understand the guild's environment and behavior of it's current member base. If an acquisition was to be made, then the folks being integrated would need to be open to changing the way they operate. This is where good leadership comes in; if the guild leader goes in expecting change to happen immediately, then they would have some unrealistic expectations, and would have a much more difficult time effecting change. There are several ways to communicate the incoming philosophy, such as mandatory guild site sign up (for communication), regular guild meetings, news letters, MotD, etc.

[Hoglum]

I ran a few dungeons with MuleAxe this weekend. He's good company & I doubt he's up to anything bad by wanting to buy/build a guild.

Just my 2cp.