I like the trading card game "concept" but...

[slarden]

I predict massive exploitation and as someone pointed out in another thread, the people using the tricks will get everything quickly and then the whole thing will be shut down on day 2 leaving the rest of us disappointed.

Before you release this:

1) Please fix the card game exploits already reported on Lam
2) Figure out what to do about people that make (made) 100 ftp accounts since you announced it.
3) Review known exploits and make sure this doesn't use the same vulnerable interfaces

[ThreeEyedBob]

1 card pr alt pr day. 1 card pr account is a ****ing joke and a slap in the face of those of us who have invested in many characters (and spent a ****load of TP doing so).

[Lonnbeimnech]

1 card pr alt pr day. 1 card pr account is a ****ing joke and a slap in the face of those of us who have invested in many characters (and spent a ****load of TP doing so).

I too am insulted and outraged when given a gift...

[ranthrock]

I too am insulted and outraged when given a gift...

This. This exactly.

[Dandonk]

I would love more free stuffies. I always love free stuffies. But 34 cards per day might be a tiny bit excessive. So I doubt it'll happen, and I'm not really upset about it. I just hope they fix the "make 8273548236548236542 new accounts for free cards" part.

[DrawingGuy]

As of right now, they have a lot of bugs to fix on the die. That said, you guys are right about the issue: A free item that is tradeable on a game where accounts are free equates to unlimited amounts of the item from account spam. As they are indeed trying hard to have a unique and elaborate event for DDO 8 and DnD 40 with worthwhile prizes, unlimited access is obviously a major issue.

Make cards BTA (if they're not already - I admit I missed the small window it was up). While this unfortunately would negate the entire premise of "Trading Cards", having it just as "Anniversary Cards" I find still as a great event that would automatically solve the account spam. As long as the "10 new items" are either not amazing or not tradeable, there would be little reason for account spam.

An alternative but more complex solution would be to have cards cast a barter/trade window on a target player where they can trade one card (and only cards) for your card that you cast on them. This one for one trade would have it exactly like trading cards without allowing people to dump cards on themselves with account spam. Sure they could still multi-box and trade themselves rarer cards generated through account spam, but they'd at least still be limited to the number of cards anyone else can generate during the event. Another option instead of Card Casting would be to add "Trade Cards" to the interact option with a player. If trading cards is something that is planned on being a feature used throughout the future of DDO, this would be a good path imo.

[Shorlong]

I personally see no issue with someone making multiple accounts to do the cards. I have three game accounts already, though I am not making anymore of them to do this. I was planning on using them, and buying cards off the AH. I want a full set to keep, and a bit more to turn in for prizes!

[Postumus]

I personally see no issue with someone making multiple accounts to do the cards. I have three game accounts already, though I am not making anymore of them to do this. I was planning on using them, and buying cards off the AH. I want a full set to keep, and a bit more to turn in for prizes!

I'd be surprised if Turbine had a problem with it either. A few thousand new accounts pop up and inflate the login numbers? Why would they be against that again?

[FestusHood]

Make cards BTA (if they're not already - I admit I missed the small window it was up). While this unfortunately would negate the entire premise of "Trading Cards", having it just as "Anniversary Cards" I find still as a great event that would automatically solve the account spam. As long as the "10 new items" are either not amazing or not tradeable, there would be little reason for account spam.

An alternative but more complex solution would be to have cards cast a barter/trade window on a target player where they can trade one card (and only cards) for your card that you cast on them. This one for one trade would have it exactly like trading cards without allowing people to dump cards on themselves with account spam. Sure they could still multi-box and trade themselves rarer cards generated through account spam, but they'd at least still be limited to the number of cards anyone else can generate during the event. Another option instead of Card Casting would be to add "Trade Cards" to the interact option with a player. If trading cards is something that is planned on being a feature used throughout the future of DDO, this would be a good path imo.

Making the cards bound will certainly lead to a lot of hard feelings from people who don't get lucky with their pulls. Better to just give us the old cakes where everybody had access to the same prizes. Not that i'm personally in favor of that.

As to your second point, if i'm reading it right, it seems like it wouldn't solve the problem. If i can make a new account, and that account can generate a card, i will have one more card than somebody who didn't make that second new account. Even if you make it so that i can't trade it to myself somehow, as long as i can still trade it to other people, i can reap the benefit from it.

Other people are arguing that it should be one per character, the way the old cakes were. That definitely doesn't solve the problem of people making extra accounts

[redspecter23]

I predict massive exploitation and as someone pointed out in another thread, the people using the tricks will get everything quickly and then the whole thing will be shut down on day 2 leaving the rest of us disappointed.

Before you release this:

1) Please fix the card game exploits already reported on Lam
2) Figure out what to do about people that make (made) 100 ftp accounts since you announced it.
3) Review known exploits and make sure this doesn't use the same vulnerable interfaces

1) Yes there are some serious bugs that should be addressed. I really hope they do before this goes live or the exploiters will rake in the rewards and any value that the rare cards might have had becomes nothing.

2) Easy. F2P accounts get access to all cards and prizes, but like all store items, they cannot trade/auction/sell them. Players with 100's of free accounts would have items and cards essentially bound to those accounts without having to make all items actually bta. You'd have to upgrade to premium first. There will still be some alt accounts out there, but at $5 or so to upgrade each one, I doubt anyone will have 100's. I've got no problem with someone with 5 or even 10 premium/vip accounts getting multiple cards each day. There is NO reason to make the trading cards bound to account at all.

3) I'd love it if all exploits were fixed, especially any that undermine this new feature.

[FestusHood]

1)

2) Easy. F2P accounts get access to all cards and prizes, but like all store items, they cannot trade/auction/sell them. Players with 100's of free accounts would have items and cards essentially bound to those accounts without having to make all items actually bta. You'd have to upgrade to premium first. There will still be some alt accounts out there, but at $5 or so to upgrade each one, I doubt anyone will have 100's. I've got no problem with someone with 5 or even 10 premium/vip accounts getting multiple cards each day. There is NO reason to make the trading cards bound to account at all.

This sounds like a winner to me. As long as anyone willing to make extra accounts just for cards is also willing to pay money to upgrade them to premium, it's a win for turbine, and i personally would't have a problem with it.

[peng]

They could make it bta on completely free accounts and unbound on premium and vip accounts. Turbine already does this for some store items.

[Vellrad]

Just make them drop in chest like festival coins.

[DrawingGuy]

Making the cards bound will certainly lead to a lot of hard feelings from people who don't get lucky with their pulls. Better to just give us the old cakes where everybody had access to the same prizes. Not that i'm personally in favor of that.

As to your second point, if i'm reading it right, it seems like it wouldn't solve the problem. If i can make a new account, and that account can generate a card, i will have one more card than somebody who didn't make that second new account. Even if you make it so that i can't trade it to myself somehow, as long as i can still trade it to other people, i can reap the benefit from it.

Other people are arguing that it should be one per character, the way the old cakes were. That definitely doesn't solve the problem of people making extra accounts

You wouldn't have one more card - you give a card to get a card - hence TRADING. As for counting it as more cards on that second account... depends. You PLAY that account, you deserve the cards. You don't, you'll just be having a bunch of cards sitting on that account.

[Cardtrick]

Just make them drop in chest like festival coins.

Yup, this is the obvious solution. Unbound ones drop in chests, or as collectibles from orange-named at-level enemies, or something. BTA ones are still created daily with the current mechanic (with the bugs fixed).

No insane advantage to creating 100 F2P alt accounts, but still the possibility of actually trading cards with others. Everyone gets something, but to get the most out of it you have to actually quest and play the game.

[Impaqt]

who cares? The Prizes arent that incredible. I fail to see what people are getting their panties in a wad over.
You want to make 100 accounts so you get more Cards? If thats what floats your boat, go ahead....

[silinteresting]

who cares? The Prizes arent that incredible. I fail to see what people are getting their panties in a wad over.
You want to make 100 accounts so you get more Cards? If thats what floats your boat, go ahead....

at last some said something i can agree with...

your friend sil

[Failedlegend]

Guys it`s really not that hard make it so you can only gets cards,etc. on characters created in before 2014 or is a TR...Problem solved

[Seikojin]

Really?! I think the event will be just fine and it is just as 'exploitable' as multiboxing TP farming.

[slarden]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...e2#post5270418

It appears to be a non-issue now anyhow.