People creating 22 dummy accounts.

[Full_Bleed]

What worries me, is if this is ONE roll per account that means my alts on other servers will get NOTHING at all. Still had no answer to this.

Is that how the daily dice work?


@card dummy account exploit : Free accounts should get bound cards and items.

[GimpyPaw]

What's the big deal? Looking at the list of known rewards there's only 1 thing that would actually be worth some minor effort (the huge collectables bag). 100 tasty hams? Give me a break, just run with a shiradi caster and pick up the hams scattered all over the floor. All of my toons are already at +3 or better on tomes, the concentrated sp pots are nice but just from daily silver rolls I've got more of those than I'm using. Most of that list is just fluff. Somebody wants to spend 2 hours a day logging in to a couple dozen accounts and mailing cards to a main I say knock yourself out. I'll run a few quests, get some more xp and take a shot at some loot that might actually help my toons.

[Qhualor]

What's the big deal? Looking at the list of known rewards there's only 1 thing that would actually be worth some minor effort (the huge collectables bag). 100 tasty hams? Give me a break, just run with a shiradi caster and pick up the hams scattered all over the floor. All of my toons are already at +3 or better on tomes, the concentrated sp pots are nice but just from daily silver rolls I've got more of those than I'm using. Most of that list is just fluff. Somebody wants to spend 2 hours a day logging in to a couple dozen accounts and mailing cards to a main I say knock yourself out. I'll run a few quests, get some more xp and take a shot at some loot that might actually help my toons.

the big deal is that its an exploit no matter how insignificant someone makes it out to be. exploits shouldn't be tolerated, even for free tasty hams. exploits like this one is why we cant have nice things and why these type of events always get shut down 2 days after release.

[AnubisPrime]

I should have not mentioned it, so all those doing it would see how much time they wasted...

[Nestroy]

What's the big deal? Looking at the list of known rewards there's only 1 thing that would actually be worth some minor effort (the huge collectables bag). 100 tasty hams? Give me a break, just run with a shiradi caster and pick up the hams scattered all over the floor. All of my toons are already at +3 or better on tomes, the concentrated sp pots are nice but just from daily silver rolls I've got more of those than I'm using. Most of that list is just fluff. Somebody wants to spend 2 hours a day logging in to a couple dozen accounts and mailing cards to a main I say knock yourself out. I'll run a few quests, get some more xp and take a shot at some loot that might actually help my toons.

Answer:

the big deal is that its an exploit no matter how insignificant someone makes it out to be. exploits shouldn't be tolerated, even for free tasty hams. exploits like this one is why we cant have nice things and why these type of events always get shut down 2 days after release.

My 25 ct:
... And the usual suspects do exploit, get away with it and the regular players not knowing how or not wanting to exploit get shafted.

Edit: Especially when with this exploit Turbine would have plenty of time to do something against it. Like not even starting the card system. Or making the cards BTA.

[General_Gronker]

There's a slight problem with the basic premise of this thread: that this is an exploit. An exploit is something that isn't WAI. I see no reason to think this is not WAI. If you're going to complain about exploits, at least complain about, you know, exploits.

[Nestroy]

There's a slight problem with the basic premise of this thread: that this is an exploit. An exploit is something that isn't WAI. I see no reason to think this is not WAI. If you're going to complain about exploits, at least complain about, you know, exploits.

You really think it is OK to create, let´s say, 20 accounts, just to farm cards. This really, really WAI? Especially when they are giving items you might buy in the store, actually, and they would bring at least some money to Turbine? I doubt so.

[Uska]

There's a slight problem with the basic premise of this thread: that this is an exploit. An exploit is something that isn't WAI. I see no reason to think this is not WAI. If you're going to complain about exploits, at least complain about, you know, exploits.

IT IS AN EXPLOIT they don't intend people to make up a ton of accounts to take advantage of this and then never play them again until another event if ever.

[Hendrik]

the big deal is that its an exploit no matter how insignificant someone makes it out to be. exploits shouldn't be tolerated, even for free tasty hams. exploits like this one is why we cant have nice things and why these type of events always get shut down 2 days after release.

Exactly!

Of course there is a 'community' of people that strive to cheat at video games, specifically this one.


So, question is, what is Turbine going to do to prevent this, and them, from abusing this to the Nine Hells.

First thing WE can do, is to PM each and every DEV and CS Rep to let them know this is going on and needs to stop before this goes Live.

[Vanquishedfo]

IT IS AN EXPLOIT they don't intend people to make up a ton of accounts to take advantage of this and then never play them again until another event if ever.

More or less of one then say Mule accounts? Many people already openly talk about having 3-5-even upwards of a dozen mule accounts for storage. Its not like they sale you know storage space or storage space savers in the DDO store and have no reason to hate on those. Even though there are MMO out there that do boldly put in their TOS a one account per person in household rule. DDO has never done this since the rise of FTP and most often agree it tends to feel like a ploy to have buffed log in numbers to show the upper tier bosses to keep DDO going when its barely really worth it.

[Vanquishedfo]

Exactly!

Of course there is a 'community' of people that strive to cheat at video games, specifically this one.


So, question is, what is Turbine going to do to prevent this, and them, from abusing this to the Nine Hells.

First thing WE can do, is to PM each and every DEV and CS Rep to let them know this is going on and needs to stop before this goes Live.

players calling something an exploit does not make it an exploit. Players already have mule accounts and this is exactly no different. Its using alternate accounts to get an in game benefit and bypass certain game restrictions or DDO store costs just like mule accounts.

This will actually be a huge benefit for Turbibne when it comes to number of daily log ins to show to bosses and say hey look it might not be earning much per se but its getting ALOT of attention during these nifty little events we throw at them. Attention equals potential spending right?

[Vint]

IT IS AN EXPLOIT they don't intend people to make up a ton of accounts to take advantage of this and then never play them again until another event if ever.

Not saying you are wrong, but who cares? People can get on the high horse and look down on the unbathed, but do you think it is worth Turbines time to stop people from getting +3 tomes? Oh the humanity.

[Uska]

Not saying you are wrong, but who cares? People can get on the high horse and look down on the unbathed, but do you think it is worth Turbines time to stop people from getting +3 tomes? Oh the humanity.

Yes it is ban the exploiters they are likely the ones who did it last time and will do it again or maybe don't ban them just delete all their gear and plat.

[Uska]

players calling something an exploit does not make it an exploit. Players already have mule accounts and this is exactly no different. Its using alternate accounts to get an in game benefit and bypass certain game restrictions or DDO store costs just like mule accounts.

This will actually be a huge benefit for Turbibne when it comes to number of daily log ins to show to bosses and say hey look it might not be earning much per se but its getting ALOT of attention during these nifty little events we throw at them. Attention equals potential spending right?

There is no benefit for Turbine in this

[Uska]

Exactly!

Of course there is a 'community' of people that strive to cheat at video games, specifically this one.


So, question is, what is Turbine going to do to prevent this, and them, from abusing this to the Nine Hells.

First thing WE can do, is to PM each and every DEV and CS Rep to let them know this is going on and needs to stop before this goes Live.

What they will do is likely nothing what they should do is any account less than 30 days old can not participate in the celebration I seem to recall they did that with some kind of bonus in the past.

[AnubisPrime]

What they will do is likely nothing what they should do is any account less than 30 days old can not participate in the celebration I seem to recall they did that with some kind of bonus in the past.

Maybe...but if that person creates the account(s) and PLAYS them, earns TP and makes a purchase--- That's effort, so such an account should not be prevented from getting cards. If someone has the time and dedication to do so, then so be it.

What do you think?

[Postumus]

What they will do is likely nothing what they should do is any account less than 30 days old can not participate in the celebration I seem to recall they did that with some kind of bonus in the past.

So any new players who signed up for DDO in the last 30 days should get aced out of this celebration? That's a great retention strategy for new players.

Hardcore sploiters already have all the good junk they need anyway. Maybe 1% of the player base is going to even bother making extra accounts for this and since what they win doesn't affect what you win, why would you even care?

[Grace_ana]

How is this any more of an exploit than someone creating a bunch of toons to farm for a specific piece of unbound loot? Or someone making an iconic to farm challenges? It's not an exploit, and the rewards aren't remotely gamebreaking. You guys suck the fun out of everything with your additional requirements and rules and hysteria over something that is supposed to be a celebration.

[Uska]

Maybe...but if that person creates the account(s) and PLAYS them, earns TP and makes a purchase--- That's effort, so such an account should not be prevented from getting cards. If someone has the time and dedication to do so, then so be it.

What do you think?

All the exploits took some effort and still shouldn't ever be rewarded and spending free TP does zero to help turbine and yes the account should be prevented from getting cards since they aren't trying to get cards to help that account they are exploiting that account to get cards for trade or their main accounts.

[Uska]

So any new players who signed up for DDO in the last 30 days should get aced out of this celebration? That's a great retention strategy for new players.

Hardcore sploiters already have all the good junk they need anyway. Maybe 1% of the player base is going to even bother making extra accounts for this and since what they win doesn't affect what you win, why would you even care?

Because you let one little cheat go and it grows and grows they should have been harder on exploiters all along and we would be all better of with the so called 1% of cheaters ban the scum.