A Solo TR Leveling Quest Guide

[Oxarhamar]

It's actually 2 days for quest ransack to reset from a --40% ransack. Its rather annoying. After one day you'll have -10% Ransack (seems it still applies a -20% ransack penalty then credits you the 50% for the day) +20% daily bonus so its still worthwhile.

Farming elite is certainly preferable and definately applies in some quests where you are doing little killing (invis quests) or where using firewall (shadow crypt). Otherwise its better to run at a lower difficulty to farm, especially on a caster as it generally means the difference between needing to use Meta vs not and being able to skip shrines (Tear is excellent example).

I would hate farming RwtD or ETK on elite. And even with BB alot of the quests are still poor XP/min. The only one in tangleroot at +1k/min besides pt5 and pt6 for a solo char is pt4 if you invis straight to whisperdoom and cleave the eggs.

The reason your getting -10% Ransack after 1 day is because your running the quest 6 times. The first time bonus may apply to E H N but, it still adds to the Ransack. test it /ransack

If your getting less than 1K minute running XP pots in Tangelroot on a first time bonus Elite streak You've got to be flowersniffing. Your just making up numbers because, in reality you don't run those quest.

[Oxarhamar]

I was doing my 3rd life TRs in ~10 days with no XP pots running at 3-4 hours a day before the XP curve hit.

running without XP pots favors streaking and there is enough bonus XP in an 1 and done Elite pattern to make farming those Quests a waste of time. The key is to learn how to do all your Quests fast and efficient as possible like these you single out as "best XP minute"

[Cardtrick]

I would hate farming RwtD or ETK on elite. And even with BB alot of the quests are still poor XP/min. The only one in tangleroot at +1k/min besides pt5 and pt6 for a solo char is pt4 if you invis straight to whisperdoom and cleave the eggs.

I agree with everything else you've said so far in this thread, but Tangleroot quests being sub-1k doesn't sound right to me. We're counting Bravery Bonus and Tome of Learning? (Or no Tome? If no Tome, I could see it maybe not hitting 1k.)

I'm not very good about timing my runs, but I'm pretty sure a full elite runthrough takes me less than half an hour and it seems like I earn at least 30k to 35k xp total. I'll have to take notes next time I run a character through there, but it's always felt like one of the decent XP runs in the level range . . . except for the incredibly annoying breadth of the levels it covers. I usually do it in two chunks -- once at level 5 for the initial run out through the wilderness and elite BB runs of parts 1 - 4, and then a second chunk at level 7 for elite BB runs of the remainder of the chain (along with any farming of parts 5 and 6 that I choose to do).

[Oxarhamar]

I agree with everything else you've said so far in this thread, but Tangleroot quests being sub-1k doesn't sound right to me. We're counting Bravery Bonus and Tome of Learning? (Or no Tome? If no Tome, I could see it maybe not hitting 1k.)

I'm not very good about timing my runs, but I'm pretty sure a full elite runthrough takes me less than half an hour and it seems like I earn at least 30k to 35k xp total. I'll have to take more careful notes next time I run a character through there, but it's always felt like one of the decent XP runs in the level range . . . except for the incredibly annoying breadth of the levels it covers. I usually do it in two chunks -- once at level 5 for the initial run out through the wilderness and elite BB runs of parts 1 - 4, and then a second chunk at level 7 for elite BB runs of the remainder of the chain (along with any farming of parts 5 and 6 that I choose to do).

No its just pure conjecture the OP doesn't run these quests because, of flawed perception of their XP minute or doesn't understand how to run them most efficiently since Invis-zerg is not an option.

[Cardtrick]

If your getting less than 1K minute running XP pots in Tangelroot on a first time bonus Elite streak You've got to be flowersniffing. Your just making up numbers because, in reality you don't run those quest.

No its just pure conjecture the OP doesn't run these quests because, of flawed perception of their XP minute or doesn't understand how to run them most efficiently since Invis-zerg is not an option.

Why be insulting? The OP posted this thread to be a helpful guide. I find it useful. I'm sure others do too. It's fine if you disagree with his methods, or have suggestions on improvements, but there's really no reason at all to be offensive about it.

[Oxarhamar]

Why be insulting? The OP posted this thread to be a helpful guide. I find it useful. I'm sure others do too. It's fine if you disagree with his methods, or have suggestions on improvements, but there's really no reason at all to be offensive about it.

Take it how you will. The guide is far from optimal just pointing that out and being challenged for it.

The arguments brought against my pointing this out are just plain incorrect nothing more to it than that.

[kuro_zero]

I agree with everything else you've said so far in this thread, but Tangleroot quests being sub-1k doesn't sound right to me. We're counting Bravery Bonus and Tome of Learning? (Or no Tome? If no Tome, I could see it maybe not hitting 1k.)

BB, Gtr Tome, and 20% pot. Remember, its not just in-quest time as when calculating XP/Min via XP pot as every second counted down from advancing quest must be counted. Until the quest timer is fixed in next update, I use my buff bar to calculate how long a quest has taken.

Solo, Pt1 and Pt2 is pretty tough to complete in under 3 minutes as there's simply too much running around to do. Pt3 and Pt4 aren't too bad, and obviously Pt5a and Pt6a.

Pt5b XP got nerfed to oblivion. The remaining parts can be done at around 1k/min.

I'm not very good about timing my runs, but I'm pretty sure a full elite runthrough takes me less than half an hour and it seems like I earn at least 30k to 35k xp total. I'll have to take notes next time I run a character through there, but it's always felt like one of the decent XP runs in the level range . . . except for the incredibly annoying breadth of the levels it covers. I usually do it in two chunks -- once at level 5 for the initial run out through the wilderness and elite BB runs of parts 1 - 4, and then a second chunk at level 7 for elite BB runs of the remainder of the chain (along with any farming of parts 5 and 6 that I choose to do).

It evens out in the end so you're probably hitting the 1k/min. By farming just 5a and 6a you push that upto 1.5 to 2k/min.

[Oxarhamar]

BB, Gtr Tome, and 20% pot. Remember, its not just in-quest time as when calculating XP/Min via XP pot as every second counted down from advancing quest must be counted. Until the quest timer is fixed in next update, I use my buff bar to calculate how long a quest has taken.

Solo, Pt1 and Pt2 is pretty tough to complete in under 3 minutes as there's simply too much running around to do. Pt3 and Pt4 aren't too bad, and obviously Pt5a and Pt6a.

Pt5b XP got nerfed to oblivion. The remaining parts can be done at around 1k/min.



It evens out in the end so you're probably hitting the 1k/min. By farming just 5a and 6a you push that upto 1.5 to 2k/min.

Yeah I'm half tempted to prove you wrong but, its not worth the effort since I'm no longer doing Herioc TRs these days.

[kuro_zero]

Yeah I'm half tempted to prove you wrong but, its not worth the effort since I'm no longer doing Herioc TRs these days.

When quest completion timer is fixed in Monday I'll roll up a quick VetII to prove my point.

[Oxarhamar]

When quest completion timer is fixed in Monday I'll roll up a quick VetII to prove my point.

Unless your posting a video a screenshot of your completion time proves nothing except YOU'RE likely not doing the quest fast enough.

[kuro_zero]

I was doing my 3rd life TRs in ~10 days with no XP pots running at 3-4 hours a day before the XP curve hit.

running without XP pots favors streaking and there is enough bonus XP in an 1 and done Elite pattern to make farming those Quests a waste of time. The key is to learn how to do all your Quests fast and efficient as possible like these you single out as "best XP minute"

On second thought, I'm not going to waste my time proving my point as I already know I'm right. You're obviously just here to troll so consider yourself ignored going forward unless you have something constructive to add. Before I wipe my hands of you I simply want to debunk your assertion that running without XP pots favors BB streaking.

Simply put it doesn't. XP pot favors XP/min period. Whether that's 9 quests at 10k each in 1 hour or 90 quests for 1k each in 1 hour, you get the same bonus from the XP pot as the XP/min is exactly the same.

4.38m in 30-40 hours works out to 1.8-2.4k/min. That's giving you the benefit of the doubt and counting all those hours in quest. Solo and without XP pot. Yea, I don't believe it for a second.

[Oxarhamar]

On second thought, I'm not going to waste my time proving my point as I already know I'm right. You're obviously just here to troll so consider yourself ignored going forward unless you have something constructive to add. Before I wipe my hands of you I simply want to debunk your assertion that running without XP pots favors BB streaking.

Simply put it doesn't. XP pot favors XP/min period. Whether that's 9 quests at 10k each in 1 hour or 90 quests for 1k each in 1 hour, you get the same bonus from the XP pot as the XP/min is exactly the same.

4.38m in 30-40 hours works out to 1.8-2.4k/min. That's giving you the benefit of the doubt and counting all those hours in quest. Solo and without XP pot. Yea, I don't believe it for a second.

You can't debunk a thing your assumptions are based off of copying a TR leveling guide built around having multiple players in quests to gain the most benefit for the time spent and trying to adjust those same quests to a solo play style many of the best XP quests are due to multiple players dividing the quests into portions working as a well oiled machine to accomplish different objectives simultaneously getting the most XP in the shortest amount of time.

Still your assumptions of certain quests XP/min are based on your own inability to complete them in a shorter time or to maximize your bonuses without taking more time.

You can not believe anything you like but, your system is far from most efficient. You don't even understand how the XP ransack works to begin with as proven by your own posts (which is why I recommended against a path like this to begin with) here how could anyone expect you to know how to get efficient XP if you don't even understand basic mechanics of XP in the game.

lets look at you common break down of 1E 4H 1N

1st Elite run full bonuses +streak no repeats added on first run
1st Hard run full bonuses first time elite
2nd Hard -20%
3rd Hard -40%
4th Hard -60%
5th Normal full XP first time bonus

Unless your leveling so fast that your out of level range to rerun Quests the next day your much better of not taking your Ransack beyond 40% and getting a fresh +20% daily run with no ransack of quests the next day.

Also running those Quests at -60% on Hard is likely way less XP than just running something else entirely on Elite with +20% daily +80% first time +50% streak and whatever other bonuses your running but, you keep plugging away in those -60% runs because we all know that -60% is more than 250%. .

Just doing at 1E 3H 1N then repeating 1H the next day for more bonuses is more efficient that your entire system and is more similar to the way I've done XP never farming beyond -40% to always leave the possibility to rerun with full XP the next day unless your leveling past the quest level and will definitely never step in the Quest again.

P.S. I' always slash Rogue or Artificer for +15% bonuses your probably missing out on in applicable quests which can make huge difference in the long run as well as make questing a bit easier since traps become a boost instead of a hindrance. stopping for a few seconds to grab 15% xp in many quests will cut down HOURS off your TR time.

[Oxarhamar]

To wrap up level 17 you can either do another GH saga, or farm the quests listed in the level 15 and 16 entries on elite if ransack is gone (takes 2 days). Ideally you would do Litany of the Dead e, 4h, n but requires having a completed sigil. I haven't found a decent way to solo Fleshmaker's Lab reliably so unfortunately I can't guarantee a completed sigil on a particular life.
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This bit right here the solution to solo Fleshmakers is either to use a hireling for the runes or use Arti or Druid pup even at 1 level splash the pup are great lever pullers and can expand the number of quests you can solo that have levers.

Skipping Litany is a NO NO

In your OP you ask for and tips or advice to improve the system and it was my fault for just advising against leveling like this without going into detail. Still its far from most efficient solo XP.

[kuro_zero]

You can't debunk a thing your assumptions are based off of copying a TR leveling guide built around having multiple players in quests to gain the most benefit for the time spent and trying to adjust those same quests to a solo play style many of the best XP quests are due to multiple players dividing the quests into portions working as a well oiled machine to accomplish different objectives simultaneously getting the most XP in the shortest amount of time.

Still your assumptions of certain quests XP/min are based on your own inability to complete them in a shorter time or to maximize your bonuses without taking more time.

You can not believe anything you like but, your system is far from most efficient. You don't even understand how the XP ransack works to begin with as proven by your own posts (which is why I recommended against a path like this to begin with) here how could anyone expect you to know how to get efficient XP if you don't even understand basic mechanics of XP in the game.

lets look at you common break down of 1E 4H 1N

1st Elite run full bonuses +streak no repeats added on first run
1st Hard run full bonuses first time elite
2nd Hard -20%
3rd Hard -40%
4th Hard -60%
5th Normal full XP first time bonus

Unless your leveling so fast that your out of level range to rerun Quests the next day your much better of not taking your Ransack beyond 40% and getting a fresh +20% daily run with no ransack of quests the next day.

Also running those Quests at -60% on Hard is likely way less XP than just running something else entirely on Elite with +20% daily +80% first time +50% streak and whatever other bonuses your running but, you keep plugging away in those -60% runs because we all know that -60% is more than 250%. .

Just doing at 1E 3H 1N then repeating 1H the next day for more bonuses is more efficient that your entire system and is more similar to the way I've done XP never farming beyond -40% to always leave the possibility to rerun with full XP the next day unless your leveling past the quest level and will definitely never step in the Quest again.

P.S. I' always slash Rogue or Artificer for +15% bonuses your probably missing out on in applicable quests which can make huge difference in the long run as well as make questing a bit easier since traps become a boost instead of a hindrance. stopping for a few seconds to grab 15% xp in many quests will cut down HOURS off your TR time.

Dammit I wasn't going to bother but I need to correct the misinformation you put out.

First: 1e, 4h, n works out like this:

1e - Full bonuses, BB, 50% gtr tome
1st hard - First time bonus
2nd Hard - 100% XP NO RANSACK NO BONUSES
3rd Hard - -20% Ransack
4th Hard - -40% Ransack
1n - first time bonus

Second: you still have a ransack penalty after 1day after running a -40% ransack run

I even explained it above, and no its not because it counts normal as a ransack repetition. Using /ransack you will see your ransack is -60% after the 4th hard run, because, if you run it again on hard you will have -60% XP penalty. 1 day credits you 50% so you are still at a -10% ransack, but gain +20% daily bonus.

3h hard brings you to 20% ransack on the run, 40% on /ransack so next day (+50%) you get no penalty. Seriously you're telling me I don't understand the ransack mechanic?

Third:, yes following this guide playing 4-5 hours a day I out level quests to not bother returning to re-farm. Exception include necro4 quests @17 which I stated can be refarmed to take you over the lvl17 hump (after 2 days).

Seriously, with your ~2100 XP/min (w/o XP pot no less) you bother keeping farm quests available to run the next day?

Fourth: Yes I farm the same quest upto 40% ransack (not 60%) because I'm already there. Ship buffs are running so it easier to squeeze another run in than taking the time to run to another quest and have ship buffs run out in the middle of another elite run.

But you're so uber Elite takes you the same amount of time as normal, so hey go for it.

Last: As solo it generally is less time efficient to search/disable traps as the 15% XP bonus is 15% of base. You're not running an XP pot so you don't even get the multiplicative bonus for doing so. When BB, streak, and gtr tome providing a huge 250% base XP bonus, an additional 15% is waste of time. Quests where taking time to do traps is worthwhile is an exception rather than the rule when solo. If in a group where others can move towards the objective while someone takes care of the traps it becomes worthwhile because you still finish in approximately the same time.

P.S. No where did I state this was the "most efficient" way to level, solo or otherwise. (All I did is objectively compare it to Carpone's guide and stated I was happy with a solo rate of 1500 XP/min compared to his party rate of 3,000 XP/min

[Oxarhamar]

Dammit I wasn't going to bother but I need to correct the misinformation you put out.

First: 1e, 4h, n works out like this:

1e - Full bonuses, BB, 50% gtr tome
1st hard - First time bonus
2nd Hard - 100% XP NO RANSACK NO BONUSES
3rd Hard - -20% Ransack
4th Hard - -40% Ransack
1n - first time bonus

Second: you still have a ransack penalty after 1day after running a -40% ransack run

I even explained it above, and no its not because it counts normal as a ransack repetition. Using /ransack you will see your ransack is -60% after the 4th hard run, because, if you run it again on hard you will have -60% XP penalty. 1 day credits you 50% so you are still at a -10% ransack, but gain +20% daily bonus.

3h hard brings you to 20% ransack on the run, 40% on /ransack so next day (+50%) you get no penalty. Seriously you're telling me I don't understand the ransack mechanic?

Third:, yes following this guide playing 4-5 hours a day I out level quests to not bother returning to re-farm. Exception include necro4 quests @17 which I stated can be refarmed to take you over the lvl17 hump (after 2 days).

Seriously, with your ~2100 XP/min (w/o XP pot no less) you bother keeping farm quests available to run the next day?

Fourth: Yes I farm the same quest upto 40% ransack (not 60%) because I'm already there. Ship buffs are running so it easier to squeeze another run in than taking the time to run to another quest and have ship buffs run out in the middle of another elite run.

But you're so uber Elite takes you the same amount of time as normal, so hey go for it.

Last: As solo it generally is less time efficient to search/disable traps as the 15% XP bonus is 15% of base. You're not running an XP pot so you don't even get the multiplicative bonus for doing so. When BB, streak, and gtr tome providing a huge 250% base XP bonus, an additional 15% is waste of time. Quests where taking time to do traps is worthwhile is an exception rather than the rule when solo. If in a group where others can move towards the objective while someone takes care of the traps it becomes worthwhile because you still finish in approximately the same time.

P.S. No where did I state this was the "most efficient" way to level, solo or otherwise. (All I did is objectively compare it to Carpone's guide and stated I was happy with a solo rate of 1500 XP/min compared to his party rate of 3,000 XP/min

Your absolutely wrong about the way Ransack Penalty works and you've proven it because after 1 day the Quests for you reset to -10% Your taking the XP to -60% Ransack penalty does not reset only -40% after the first day your just doing it wrong when you run the Quest @-40% ransack it adds another -20% to your ransack penalty just type /Ransack and you'll see.

And your also wrong about Trap bonuses as well while its only 15% of Base it is mere seconds added onto quests granting more XP in a one stop visit meaning less quests total to run. (yes its more efficient to have multiple players getting traps but, it doesn't mean stopping for a second to grab them is not better than skipping them to begin with. Some quests where they are off the main path sure they are not worth bothering with but, many they are an easy bonus that's along the way. Think of the lost xp in von3, Temple of Vol, Coal Chamber, Tangleroot part 3 (there is 2 traps for 8% bonus at the end that you must pass thru in order to reach the last objective its most efficient to avoid the traps grab agro then backtrack thru the traps and begin to disarm them while the traps mutilate the red name for you) Maybe this is why your getting such low XP/min your focusing so much on speed your missing easy XP bonuses.

[kuro_zero]

Your absolutely wrong about the way Ransack Penalty works and you've proven it because after 1 day the Quests for you reset to -10% Your taking the XP to -60% Ransack penalty does not reset only -40% after the first day your just doing it wrong.

No, I'm not. You can even do it in epics (hint: its why all those daily EH VoN3 farm runs are done twice and not 3 times).

And your wrong about Trap bonuses as well while its only 15% of Base it is mere seconds added onto quests granting more XP in a one stop visit meaning less quests total to run. (yes its more efficient to have multiple players getting traps but, it doesn't mean stopping for a second to grab them is not better than skipping them to begin with. Some quests where they are of the main path sure they are not worth bothering with but, many they are an easy bonus that's along the way.

I have math to back me up. I know exactly how many seconds I have to attain a certain XP bonus before it negatively affects my goal of +1,500 XP/min.

[Oxarhamar]

No, I'm not. You can even do it in epics (hint: its why all those daily EH VoN3 farm runs are done twice and not 3 times).

I have math to back me up. I know exactly how many seconds I have to attain a certain XP bonus before it negatively affects my goal of +1,500 XP/min.

first refusing to admit your wrong about the XP mechanic doesn't make you right. Just type /ransack after you've run your full E HHHH N and find out why your getting -10% the next day.

exactly how many more seconds would effect your goal when adding up to 15% which BTW is multiplicatively effected by XP shire, Voice and in your case XP pots. You don't know because, your too focused on XP/min to even think about it.

Just 1 trap disarmed in Von3 is 8% xp bonus that takes all of ~5 seconds to search+disarm Guess +8% in von3 is not worth the 5 seconds added onto your solo run

[kuro_zero]

first refusing to admit your wrong about the XP mechanic doesn't make you right. Just type /ransack after you've run your full E HHHH N and find out why your getting -10% the next day.

Keep digging. I find it hilarious.

exactly how many more seconds would effect your goal when adding up to 15% which BTW is multiplicatively effected by XP shire, Voice and in your case XP pots. You don't know because, your too focused on XP/min to even think about it.

[x(a*b*c)/y]*60 = Z

a = XP potion multiplier
b = VoM multiplier
c = XP Shrine multiplier
x = Trap XP bonus (% of base XP)
y = Target XP/min goal
Constant 60 = seconds
Z = Number of seconds before time spent on traps becomes detrimental to target XP/min.

Just 1 trap disarmed in Von3 is 8% xp bonus that takes all of ~5 seconds to search+disarm Guess +8% in von3 is not worth the 5 seconds added onto your solo run

Quests where taking time to do traps is worthwhile is an exception rather than the rule when solo.

[Oxarhamar]

Keep digging. I find it hilarious.

[a*b*c(x/y)]*60 = Z

a = XP potion multiplier
b = VoM multiplier
c = XP Shrine multiplier
x = Trap XP bonus % of base XP
y = Target XP/min goal
Constant 60 = seconds
Z = Number of seconds before time spent on traps becomes detrimental to target XP/min.[/QUOTE]

Keep denying won't make you any less wrong

fancy "Math" in the time it takes you to plug in all those numbers you could have had your +15% and been done with it. While not all Traps are worth doing your already going slower than a full party by soloing adding on a few seconds in most cases is not going to break the bank. .

[kuro_zero]

The reason your getting -10% Ransack after 1 day is because your running the quest 6 times. The first time bonus may apply to E H N but, it still adds to the Ransack. test it /ransack

Wrong.

lets look at you common break down of 1E 4H 1N

1st Elite run full bonuses +streak no repeats added on first run
1st Hard run full bonuses first time elite
2nd Hard -20%
3rd Hard -40%
4th Hard -60%
5th Normal full XP first time bonus

Wrong.

Also running those Quests at -60% on Hard is likely way less XP than just running something else entirely on Elite with +20% daily +80% first time +50% streak and whatever other bonuses your running but, you keep plugging away in those -60% runs because we all know that -60% is more than 250%. .

Wrong. Only 5 quests on the list are run at -60% ransack.

Your absolutely wrong about the way Ransack Penalty works and you've proven it because after 1 day the Quests for you reset to -10% Your taking the XP to -60% Ransack penalty does not reset only -40% after the first day your just doing it wrong when you run the Quest @-40% ransack it adds another -20% to your ransack penalty just type /Ransack and you'll see.

But, according to you, I'm running a quest @-60% ransack.

Seems like I said the exact same thing:

Second: you still have a ransack penalty after 1day after running a -40% ransack run

I even explained it above, and no its not because it counts normal as a ransack repetition. Using /ransack you will see your ransack is -60% after the 4th hard run, because, if you run it again on hard you will have -60% XP penalty. 1 day credits you 50% so you are still at a -10% ransack, but gain +20% daily bonus.

And its pretty sad when elementary algebra is regarded as fancy "math."