Is Bladeforged Monkcher an option?

[amnota]

I have a toon that will be available shortly for a new build. I was wondering if anyone has tried a BF Monkcher. He will have Arti/Barb/Cleric/Fighter/Wiz past lives.

So here is what I came up with, enhancements would be fairly standard

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Level 28 Lawful Good Bladeforged Male
(2 Paladin \ 7 Monk \ 11 Ranger \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 504
Spell Points: 249 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 19
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             15                    22
Dexterity            14                    21
Constitution         14                    21
Intelligence          8                    13
Wisdom               14                    19
Charisma              8                    13

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
Balance               2                    13
Bluff                -1                     9
Concentration         2                    13
Diplomacy            -1                     9
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle               -1                     9
Heal                  2                    12
Hide                  2                    13
Intimidate           -1                     9
Jump                  2                    14
Listen                2                    12
Move Silently         2                    13
Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     9
Search               -1                     9
Spellcraft           -1                     9
Spot                  2                    12
Swim                  2                    14
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Lord of Blades
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Precision


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Monk)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Combat Archery


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Repair


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot

Any help or info would be greatly appreciated.

Nothing here is carved in stone

[Munkenmo]

It's a bit of a pity you're trying this on a 32 point build, with all your +5 tomes if you have 34 points or more, you could also manage to stretch your stats out and pick up improved martial arts instead of blinding speed. Since you can't make your stats spread that thin though, I've found quicken to be a nice feat to acquire at 27. There's no concentration check on the SLA but the faster animation seems to be better offensively than blinding speed.

Why do you have cleave and great cleave on a ranged toon without picking up overwhelming critical?

Instead of picking up toughness as a monk bonus feat, consider picking up deflect arrows.
Instead of picking up improved critical slashing, pick up master of forms.
Instead of epic toughness pick up overwhelming critical
You've already qualified for improved precise shot at level 18 with your 11 ranger levels, so instead pick up 10k Stars.
If you have manyshot and 10k stars, and use them both when they're off timer, the ED feat doubleshot is incredibly weak, you could pick up toughness at 26, then spell power repair at 28.

I'm also a fan of picking up the ED feats, silver and byeshk. With bladeforged weapon attachment, I have adamantine full time, and I always run in FOTW, so I've got permanent cold iron. These 2 feats allow me to bypass all metal checks, and always have the slashing/piercing/bludgeoning imbue turned on.

[John_Rove]

I am guessing he is using a version of the char planner that doesn't allow PL's to be added to Iconics as he stated in OP that it had various PL's. Beyond that, I am inclined to agree with your suggestions.

[Munkenmo]

I am guessing he is using a version of the char planner that doesn't allow PL's to be added to Iconics as he stated in OP that it had various PL's. Beyond that, I am inclined to agree with your suggestions.

Hmm, good point, I'm so used to editing the planner that I forget others aren't.

Op if you have 34points or more, consider this for a stat layout.

16str+5tome+2levels (4 & 8)
14dex+5tome+2levels (12 & 16)
10con
8int
15wis+5tome+3 levels (20,24,28)[After picking up the last point at 28, you can feat swap your level 27 feat and pick up Improved martial arts.]
8cha

[LOOON375]

Ive seen a bazillion different bladeforged monkchers running around.

Yes, it's an option.

[amnota]

It's a bit of a pity you're trying this on a 32 point build, with all your +5 tomes if you have 34 points or more, you could also manage to stretch your stats out and pick up improved martial arts instead of blinding speed. Since you can't make your stats spread that thin though, I've found quicken to be a nice feat to acquire at 27. There's no concentration check on the SLA but the faster animation seems to be better offensively than blinding speed.

Why do you have cleave and great cleave on a ranged toon without picking up overwhelming critical?

Instead of picking up toughness as a monk bonus feat, consider picking up deflect arrows.
Instead of picking up improved critical slashing, pick up master of forms.
Instead of epic toughness pick up overwhelming critical
You've already qualified for improved precise shot at level 18 with your 11 ranger levels, so instead pick up 10k Stars.
If you have manyshot and 10k stars, and use them both when they're off timer, the ED feat doubleshot is incredibly weak, you could pick up toughness at 26, then spell power repair at 28.

I'm also a fan of picking up the ED feats, silver and byeshk. With bladeforged weapon attachment, I have adamantine full time, and I always run in FOTW, so I've got permanent cold iron. These 2 feats allow me to bypass all metal checks, and always have the slashing/piercing/bludgeoning imbue turned on.

Thanks for the help.....10 k stars..yeah I missed that.

4 past lives give me 36 point build

IPS...it's been a long time since I built a ranger and didn't know about doubleshot not being worth it

this is exactly what I needed to see, tho a 10 point con build is just plain scary.

[amnota]

Found the newer ver. planner

So point spread looks better 16/14/13/8/15/8

Still plugging away at the planner before I actually build this

Thanks again

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Ive seen a bazillion different bladeforged monkchers running around.

Yes, it's an option.

Someone said they were the best; now everyone is playing one.

[amnota]

I have a main that was a completionist almost 3 years ago..now a bf juggy along with a 2nd completionist that is a cleric. I was looking for something to build and had this toon available so I figured I would try this BF monkcher. Just for giggles.

[Ayseifn]

Thanks for the help.....10 k stars..yeah I missed that.

4 past lives give me 36 point build

IPS...it's been a long time since I built a ranger and didn't know about doubleshot not being worth it

this is exactly what I needed to see, tho a 10 point con build is just plain scary.

Con can be dumped just fine, FotW gives a ton of HP, earth stance and good gear will have you at 850+ at cap easilyn which is not a problem really for a ranged toon.

36 point build:
16str+5tome+2levels (4 & 8)
14dex+5tome+2levels (12 & 16)
10con
8int
14wis+5tome+3 levels (20,24,28)[After picking up the last point at 28, you can feat swap your level 27 feat and pick up Improved martial arts.]
14cha

You lose 2 points in wis but gain 6 cha for DM and saves.

Feats in random order:
PA, cleave, g cleave
imp crit ranged
Precision
Point Blank Shot
Zen Archery
Combat Archery, OC, Blinding Speed(if you're lazy like me, otherwise something else)

That leaves 3 feats, I'd go with Magical Training for Soul Magic, Dodge because it's cool and you may be able to squeeze in Improved Dodge and for the last not sure which is best.

[Ivan_Milic]

Is improved martial arts fixed for bows?

[Munkenmo]

Is improved martial arts fixed for bows?

Has been for a long while now.

[mikarddo]

Somewhat off-topic I admit but how would you rate BF compared to other races for monkcher?

In particular how do you rate the SLA Reconstruct compared to twisting in Cocoon?

I am thinking that may depend on the crew you are mostly running with. If they are mostly WF/BF that would lean towards the SLA and if they are mostly fleshy Cocoon would gain in value.

[kuro_zero]

Somewhat off-topic I admit but how would you rate BF compared to other races for monkcher?

In particular how do you rate the SLA Reconstruct compared to twisting in Cocoon if most of the ones you run with are fleshies?

Cocoon is great, especially with heal amp, but there's really no comparison. Cocoon is a heal over time and deactivates if the temp HP shield gets dropped which can be a problem if you're in a sticky situation in EE. The SLA is also useful during heroic leveling as you don't have to rely on UMD and scrolls.

Basically it shores up one of the weaknesses of the monkcher, which was quick, reliable self healing. The DPS more than offset that, in addition to being ranged you could work around it with careful play but there's nothing quite like having that quickened "Don't Die" button.

Last point, Improved Martial Arts has a pre-req of 12+ monk levels. There is no WIS threshold for it in any case (Vorpal Strike has a Wis pre-req of 23).