Drd9/Mnk9/Ftr2

[Takllin]

Wait, you are actually playing a twf version, which, unless im mistaken, its not wai either.

Correct, TWF feats are currently working while in wolf form, which has been stated is not WAI. Another exploit build.

[DethTrip]

Wait, you are actually playing a twf version, which, unless im mistaken, its not wai either.

Correct, TWF feats are currently working while in wolf form, which has been stated is not WAI. Another exploit build.

Devs quickly fixed taking twf and swf at the same time (quite obvious exploit) but still have not prevented twf from working in wolf form so no, I do not see this as an exploit. A wolf attacks using claw, claw, bite if I remember correctly so the claw claw sounds like two weapons to me. A wolf equipping a sword and shield makes a lot less sense to me. But whatever. Never said I was against using exploits in the first place. I only said that using them can be quite OP. Either way, a game should be played to have fun imo so do what you like and have fun with it.

[psykopeta]

Am I that predictable?

@ op, as good as this build is, it could be better if you worked out how to add the single weapon fighting feats too.

gettng twf while going animal form is clearly stating that is not a good build, i've seen 400+ kills in wgu with one of these guys

iirc animals are considered thf however the attack is considered unarmed? some broken thing that it's broken yet (but hey, they're trying it, only took... 1 year to fix the "using twists at heroic lvls" bug, also they fixed the "step in an epic quest w/o being epic" after... what? years?)

so enjoy the build, but can't say it's good til everything is setted in place

[Takllin]

Devs quickly fixed taking twf and swf at the same time (quite obvious exploit) but still have not prevented twf from working in wolf form so no, I do not see this as an exploit. A wolf attacks using claw, claw, bite if I remember correctly so the claw claw sounds like two weapons to me. A wolf equipping a sword and shield makes a lot less sense to me. But whatever. Never said I was against using exploits in the first place. I only said that using them can be quite OP. Either way, a game should be played to have fun imo so do what you like and have fun with it.

Doesn't matter if you see it as one or not, it is an exploit. You are taking advantage of a bug to benefit your toon. Whether or not they actually fix it, they have stated in the past on the forums that it is not WAI.

[Lonnbeimnech]

Doesn't matter if you see it as one or not, it is an exploit. You are taking advantage of a bug to benefit your toon. Whether or not they actually fix it, they have stated in the past on the forums that it is not WAI.

Correct.

And on that note, if you have no shame about running an exploit build.... You can take twf and swf and they both work while in animal form and you are using a single weapon. Which for a monk build would be a kama.

Take swf, then take 2 ranger levels (instead of fighter). Rangers are auto granted twf, which bypasses the mutual exclusivity of swf and twf. And improved swf/improved twf are not exclusive, and gtwf/stwf aren't either.

[Seikojin]

It is 2 bugs you are looking at:
1. swf speed with twf feats in animal form. Fixed afaik to not work.
2. you get twf offhand proc in animal form, which has a higher attack speed because you are not supposed to be twf in animal form. This still exists. It is a known bug and they are fixing it.

Ultimately, your build will do less dps due to losing the offhand weapon, and you will need to respect your feat.

[Lonnbeimnech]

It is 2 bugs you are looking at:
1. swf speed with twf feats in animal form. Fixed afaik to not work.
2. you get twf offhand proc in animal form, which has a higher attack speed because you are not supposed to be twf in animal form. This still exists. It is a known bug and they are fixing it.

Ultimately, your build will do less dps due to losing the offhand weapon, and you will need to respect your feat.

1.It still works.
2.It's been broken for about a year and a half already, with no sign of a fix.

[DethTrip]

gettng twf while going animal form is clearly stating that is not a good build, i've seen 400+ kills in wgu with one of these guys

iirc animals are considered thf however the attack is considered unarmed? some broken thing that it's broken yet (but hey, they're trying it, only took... 1 year to fix the "using twists at heroic lvls" bug, also they fixed the "step in an epic quest w/o being epic" after... what? years?)

so enjoy the build, but can't say it's good til everything is setted in place

All builds are subject to dev changes whether wai or not. You just build and play what you like and then when they change it you rebuild. Usually nerfs but sometimes they actually add something fun. Like swashbuckler. =-)

[serthcore]

gettng twf while going animal form is clearly stating that is not a good build, i've seen 400+ kills in wgu with one of these guys

iirc animals are considered thf however the attack is considered unarmed? some broken thing that it's broken yet (but hey, they're trying it, only took... 1 year to fix the "using twists at heroic lvls" bug, also they fixed the "step in an epic quest w/o being epic" after... what? years?)

so enjoy the build, but can't say it's good til everything is setted in place

Animal form is coded as unarmed fighting yes. Initially they added natural fighting feats (6% doublestrikes per), that would be the substitute for thf/twf feats on animal form.
But I have a feeling that they wanted twf to work with primal avatar epic moment, so it could be decent dps (this is after fixing twitch dps), and didnt notice that they introduce twf on the other animal forms aswell, and all the broken builds started ;P

[unbongwah]

It's total BS that they make us take 9 level of druid just to get access to natural fighting considering the first animal form comes in at 3.
Not logical and also destroys some very good 8/12 or 8/10/2 builds.

It's called "game balance," a mythical state of perfect grace for which MMO devs are constantly striving to reach, yet never quite manage.

[DethTrip]

It's called "game balance," a mythical state of perfect grace for which MMO devs are constantly striving to reach, yet never quite manage.

If it was meant to be taken in place of twf/thf feats then it should be able to be taken at lower level. Maybe go with natural fighting, improved natural fighting, greater natural fighting. Either way, I still agree with Chimerian1 that it just makes sense that if you use a beast form you are naturally fighting and should be able to take the feat. That means druid level 2. Makes sense to me. Furthermore, why not just auto grant them like twf for rangers?

[DethTrip]

I just got the EE jorgundal's collar I've been wanting so now I can take the third natural fighting feat at lvl27 instead of blinding speed. Lvl25 atm on another ETR life. I definitely recommend using gear instead of the feat as I am now doing it. For those using this outstanding build, ENJOY!