Adding comms to Otto's Boxes is a dirty move turbine. Pathetic and petty.

[Cetus]

The reasons for my title are self-evident. More pay to win garbage in light of a forcefully grindy mechanic.

You guys gave us double drop rates, we said it was more balanced, and you REMOVE IT. Now you simply allow us to pay for them instead?

So we can buy epic hearts straight, and now you further incentivize the purchasing of otto's boxes to make more cash - yet refuse to alter the comm drop rates in game.

Then you wonder why people exploit when they get the chance. Or...do you?

[Vellrad]

Of course its evil.
Everyone should be avarded with 500 comms on each character after first login per day, and 4,200 after reaching lvl28.
Also, while we're on it, lets give everyone 100k XP per day just for logging into game.

[Qhualor]

So people are finally understanding "profiting irritation grind"? Its not surprising as they have been doing this for the past few years and a couple of us have been saying this all this time. They just make it more obvious now and you know people will buy them.

[Miow]

Of course its evil.
Everyone should be avarded with 500 comms on each character after first login per day, and 4,200 after reaching lvl28.
Also, while we're on it, lets give everyone 100k XP per day just for logging into game.

All excellent suggestions i can't understand why the op didn't come out with that as his opening salvo.

Not.

[redspecter23]

I don't approve of the change, but I at least get the logic behind it. I'm sure Turbine heard the complaints from players that using boxes and xp pots was hurting them due to skipping over content and gaining the 2 mil+ xp but losing out on the coms. Turbine had their "math experts" sit down and figure out how many coms you would get while farming 2 mil xp and came up with this number. It's not how I would have handled the issue, but I at least see where they were coming from.

[Miow]

I don't approve of the change, but I at least get the logic behind it. I'm sure Turbine heard the complaints from players that using boxes and xp pots was hurting them due to skipping over content and gaining the 2 mil+ xp but losing out on the coms. Turbine had their "math experts" sit down and figure out how many coms you would get while farming 2 mil xp and came up with this number. It's not how I would have handled the issue, but I at least see where they were coming from.

Yup makes sense, plus they would sell more boxes I'm sure that factored in a little bit .

[Cetus]

Of course its evil.
Everyone should be avarded with 500 comms on each character after first login per day, and 4,200 after reaching lvl28.
Also, while we're on it, lets give everyone 100k XP per day just for logging into game.

You are very perceptive

[Franke]

You are very perceptive

I'd translate this for you Vellrad, but I might get cubed.

[kierg10]

/signed to the return of double comms.

[Ovrad]

Putting in an eye-bleeding level of grind just so we'll pay to bypass it is disgusting. Seems they are trying to get rid of every player that don't pay more than 60$ per month.

[Grizzt14]

I completely agree. This a very very low move by Turbine, especially including as many 1300 makes it even worse. Get rid of this change, this is Astral Shards everywhere all day all over again on what looks like a generally good all-around update. Don't ruin it.

[DrawingGuy]

Really, making a box that costs 5k effing points more worth it is welcome... though it's true that the Comm drop rate is indeed lame. I personally think it should be on the level of Token farming, meaning 20 Dungeon runs would earn you your Heart... which would put comms at 200+ a run. Such a grind is obviously a money grab, and I personally refuse to purchase any Hearts until I see it as a convenience item like the old True hearts rather than a forced greed.

[Kalevor]

I don't see the problem here... 1500 comms in a box?? all i see is coherency. If you pay for skip 2 milion xp is pointless if it is not with the respective comms

Furthermore, a otto box value is about 5k TP and a heart of ETR or ITR is 1.2-1.4 k TP...

In my opinion is not more pay2win that was before, it's only a fix of a product they are actually selling.

[Pandir]

Was bound to happen, the epic box was completely devalued compared to the heroic one. You must have missed the people complaining about that fact.

[Shmuel]

Putting in an eye-bleeding level of grind just so we'll pay to bypass it is disgusting. Seems they are trying to get rid of every player that don't pay more than 60$ per month.

This is the problem

[Pandir]

I don't approve of the change, but I at least get the logic behind it. I'm sure Turbine heard the complaints from players that using boxes and xp pots was hurting them due to skipping over content and gaining the 2 mil+ xp but losing out on the coms. Turbine had their "math experts" sit down and figure out how many coms you would get while farming 2 mil xp and came up with this number. It's not how I would have handled the issue, but I at least see where they were coming from.

This pretty much, the fastest way to ETR is still buying the hearts and xp pots directly of the store. I figure hardly anyone bought the epic boxes since they do more harm then good to your ETR run, now you basically get the full benefit of them.
Next logical step would be to increase the valor gain by the % your xp is increased from pots since their value is much diminished too, if you don't want to buy a heart.

I fully agree that the comms needed are too high/the drop rate too low, but this change makes perfect sense to me.

[kned225]

Adding comms to ottos was obviously an attempt retain the desirability of one of their biggest cash cows

But this drives players nuts. They scream the comm system in general has eroded the desirability of their BIGGEST cash cow...the game itself!

Which is a valid point....if there weren't so much etr-ing going on

Maybe players need to worry less about falling behind this imaginary power curve and learn to put their money where their mouths are

[Cetus]

I don't see the problem here... 1500 comms in a box?? all i see is coherency. If you pay for skip 2 milion xp is pointless if it is not with the respective comms

Furthermore, a otto box value is about 5k TP and a heart of ETR or ITR is 1.2-1.4 k TP...

In my opinion is not more pay2win that was before, it's only a fix of a product they are actually selling.

They initially released the epic ottos boxes in order to speed up their new epic TR system. Many people took advantage of this, opened boxes that *could* have yielded all these comms during that time.

Its simply a dirty move to release them, allow players to use them, and then several months later UPGRADE them with a commodity that is the central limitation to performing future ETR's.

[Memnir]

...is what most folks who buy Boxes will say.



I've never bought an Otto's Box, and I never intend to. The slippery slope is lined with our money, after all. But, that's just me - and I seem to be in the minority on that.
This is just one more time when Turbine has pushed the boundary to see what many folks will be willing to pay for - won't be the last since you can practically hear the wallets opening even as people complain.

[Pandir]

They initially released the epic ottos boxes in order to speed up their new epic TR system. Many people took advantage of this, opened boxes that *could* have yielded all these comms during that time.

Its simply a dirty move to release them, allow players to use them, and then several months later UPGRADE them with a commodity that is the central limitation to performing future ETR's.

I agree with that, they should give everyone that opened an epic box during this time 1300 comms.