Need advice on 2 builds

[PnP2DDO]

I'm new to the game so need some help.

I want to build two builds - Race can be whatever:
1. A specialist, Dex based, TWF, that does well in melee, range and can do any trap. So a broad generalist I guess.
2. A melee, heavy armored, sword and board, tank, healer.

So for the first option, I think Ranger/Rogue will fit the bill.
For the second, I'm not sure - Pure Paladin? Fighter/Cleric?
Does a Bard fit in there anywhere?

I bet there are better options though...thats why I need you to set me on the right path now so I don't find I wasted time later.

Oh...and please tell me the level split you recommend. no need to list every feat...I just need the know the general idea and I'll research the rest.

Thanks in advance.

[Munkenmo]

Do you have ? :

- 32 point builds
- any premium races (half elf, Warforged, half orc, drow)
- any premium classes (Monk, arti, druid, fvs)

Do you have access to any tomes?

[PnP2DDO]

One is a VIP account with 32-point build. No FVS. No tomes.

The other will be on a F2P account, 28-point build.

So I'm not looking for the best of the best. Just a good general direction if it's better than standard Ranger/Rogue and Fighter/Cleric.

[Munkenmo]

Here's a Dex Based, 32point Human, 11 ranger/ 6 monk/ 3 rogue

This build is based on the idea that you will use shortswords.

Stats
13str,	16dex,	14con,	14int,	13wis,	8cha
Level	Class	Feat	Bonus Feat	Stat point	Skills
1	Rogue	Power Attack	Dragon Mark of Passage		4search, 4spot, 4jump, 4umd, 4locks, 4disable, 1tumble, 2heal, 2concentration
2	Ranger				2umd, 2disable, 1search, 3heal
3	Ranger	Precision			2umd, 2disable, 2openlock, 1spot 1search, 1heal,
4	Ranger			Dex	2umd, 2disable, 2openlock, 1spot 1search, 1heal,
5	Monk		Dodge		2umd, 2disable, 3concentration
6	Monk	Zen Archery	Deflect Arrows		2umd, 2disable, 3concentration
7	Monk		Light Path		2umd, 2disable, 2spot, 1concentration
8	Ranger			Dex	2umd, 2disable, 4search, 1heal
9	Ranger	Point Blank Shot			2umd, 2disable, 2openlock, 1search, 2heal
10	Monk				2umd, 2disable, 3concentration
11	Monk				2umd, 2disable, 1concentration, 2spot
12	Monk	Master of Forms	Mobility	Dex	2umd, 2disable, 1concentration, 2spot
13	Rogue				1umd, 1disable, 2search, 7open lock
14	Ranger				2umd, 2disable, 2open lock, 3search
15	Ranger	Improved Critical Pierce			2umd, 2disable, 2openlock, 1search, 2heal
16	Ranger			Dex	2umd, 2disable, 2openlock, 1search, 2heal
17	Ranger				2umd, 2disable, 2openlock, 1search, 2heal
18	Ranger	Grand Master of Forms			2umd, 2disable, 2openlock, 1search, 2heal
19	Ranger				2umd, 2disable, 2openlock, 1search, 2heal
20	Ranger			Dex	2umd, 2disable, 2openlock, 1search, 2heal

A Few Notes:

It is important to pick up the tempest ranger second Core enhancement at level 4, this will allow you to use your Dex for to hit.

It is important to pick up the Ninja Spy second Core enhancement at level 7, this will allow you to use your Dex mod for Damage.

I Picked up the dragonmark of passage, as It will allow this build access to the dimension door spell, If you don't think you'll find the ability useful, This build would also has a lot of synergy with drow. (if Drow, 13str, 16dex, 12con, 16int, 13wis, 10cha)

You'll see on the forums that the majority of players use the earth monk stance, This build is focused more strictly around heroic gameplay for a newer player, and is meant to use Wind Stance.

At level 20, You can go either rogue or ranger, I personally would go ranger in order to pick up the fourth tempest core enhancements, Rogue would net you another d6 sneak attack though.

Just incase your wondering, the +sneak attack dice in Ninja Spy and Assasin Stack, so does the sneak attack dice granted in each Deepwood Sniper core ability.

[Munkenmo]

I'm restricted to a cellphone, and that build took far longer to draft up than I expected. Hopefully someone else will help out with the healer tanky build. If not, I'll try come up with something, but it'll take a while.

Also, would you prefer a clericy build for strong healing intim tank, or something more like a bard/fighter for a buffing, intim, weakish healing tank.

[PnP2DDO]

You are awesome. Never did I expect such a thorough answer.

Could I trouble you for advice on another build?

Same Dex based character but Monk(Mystic)/Rogue(Acrobat)? Specialty in Quarterstaff and Disarming Traps? I know I'll lose ALL range though.

Thank you Thank you Thank you.

Don't worry about the healer tank. I think Fighter Cleric is the way to go there. Bit Fighter/Bard sounds more interesting.

Now I'm interested in the Monk/Rogue combo.

[Munkenmo]

You are awesome. Never did I expect such a thorough answer.

Could I trouble you for advice on another build?

Same Dex based character but Monk(Mystic)/Rogue(Acrobat)? Specialty in Quarterstaff and Disarming Traps?

Thank you Thank you Thank you.

Don't worry about the healer tank. I think Fighter Cleric is the way to go there. Maybe Fighter/Bard. Now I'm much more interested in the Monk/Rogue combo.

At a glance with acrobat, I'd probably be making something like a 13rogue/6monk/1fighter, they're viable now, but I prefer 2wf rogues.


for the healing toon, I was thinking along the lines of a 16cleric/2fighter/2paladin, or a 16bard/2fighter/2cleric.
fwiw: the difference between the 2tanks:
16cleric, much better saves, much better healing
16bard, better party buffs, should take less damage with access to displacement


I doubt i'll have time to draft anything else up tonight though.
.

[unbongwah]

1. A specialist, Dex based, TWF, that does well in melee, range and can do any trap. So a broad generalist I guess.

If you don't have monk, rog 13 / rgr 6 / ftr 1 works pretty well too. This is also one of the few times an elf is desirable, as Elven Grace lets them use DEX to dmg for Aerenal weapons (rapiers, longswords, longbows).

Feats: at least one Improved Crit, GTWF, Point Blank Shot, Imp Prec Shot, Imp Sneak Atk, Combat Archery.

2. A melee, heavy armored, sword and board, tank, healer.

I've been theory-crafting ideas for this; right now I'm leaning toward FvS or cleric 12 / ftr 6 / pal 2. FvS / cleric 12 gets you lvl 6 spells (Heal); ftr 6 gets you 4 extra feats, defensive stance, and Block&Cut (T5 SD enh); pal 2 is for Divine Grace. [Another option would be cleric 13 / ftr 6 / wiz 1: lose Div Grace, gain lvl 7 spells & an extra metamagic.]

Feats: Power Atk, Cleave, GC, Imp Crit, Shield Mastery, ISM, Imp Shield Bash, Quik, Emp Heal. On a human, that leaves 3 heroic & 3 epic feats left; you can put them towards boosting your melee DPS (THF chain & b.sword or d.axe prof), your survivability (e.g., Toughness, Dodge), or perhaps extra metamagics.

Enhancements: 33-36 APs into Stalwart D. (max defensive stance bonuses, Block & Cut); 22 APs into Warpriest for Div Might, Wall of Steel, Ameliorating Strike, other bonuses. Remaining APs go towards boosting your DPS (Kensei), heals / survivability, etc.

However, that being said, most of the time a dedicated S&B tank isn't necessary (and sometimes even counter-productive); a straight melee-focused battle cleric like the Radiant Titan gets the job done more often than not.

Same Dex based character but Monk(Mystic)/Rogue(Acrobat)? Specialty in Quarterstaff and Disarming Traps?

I don't have a DEX variant and I haven't updated it for the new Enhancements yet, but see my Three Ring Circus thread.

[PnP2DDO]

AWESOME feedback guys. Thank you. Tonight, I'll start the long journey...;-)

[Munkenmo]

Drow Acrobat.
32pt 13Rogue, 6monk, 1Fighter

Starting Stats:

13str,	18dex,	12con,	16int,	8wis,	11cha
Level	Class	Feat	Bonus Feat	Stat point	Skills
1	Rogue	Power Attack			4search, 4spot, 4disable, 4umd, 4locks, 4jump, 1tumble, 2concenration, 4balance,
2	Rogue				1search, 1spot, 1disable, 1umd, 1lock, rest are up to you.
3	Rogue	Cleave			1search, 1spot, 1disable, 1umd, 1lock, rest are up to you.
4	monk		THF	Dex	2search, 2umd, 3concentration
5	monk		Dodge		2search, 2umd, 3concentration
6	Rogue	Great Cleave			1search, 3spot, 3disable, 1umd, 3lock
7	monk				2search, 2umd, 2concentration, 1spot
8	monk			Dex	2search, 2umd, 2disable, 1concentration
9	monk	ITHF			2search, 2umd, 2spot, 1concentration
10	monk		10K Stars		2search, 2umd, 2disable, 1concentration
11	Rogue				1search, 1umd, 2disable, 2spot, 5lock
12	Rogue	Master of forms		Dex	1search, 1umd, 1disable, 1spot, 1lock, 4concentration, last 2 are up to you
13	Fighter		Improved Crit Bludgeon		2search, 2umd, 1concentration
14	Rogue				1search, 1umd, 2disable, 2spot, 2lock, 3concentration
15	Rogue	GTHF			1search, 1umd, 1disable, 1spot, 1lock, 2concentration, last 4 are up to you
16	Rogue			Dex	1search, 1umd, 1disable, 1spot, 1lock, 2concentration, last 4 are up to you
17	Rogue		Improved Evasion		1search, 1umd, 1disable, 1spot, 1lock, 2concentration, last 4 are up to you
18	Rogue	Grand Master of forms			1search, 1umd, 1disable, 1spot, 1lock, 2concentration, last 4 are up to you
19	Rogue				1search, 1umd, 1disable, 1spot, 1lock, 2concentration, last 4 are up to you
20	Rogue		Opportunist	Dex	1search, 1umd, 1disable, 1spot, 1lock, 2concentration, last 4 are up to you

Few notes:
Drow & 10k Stars are a bit of a flavor choice, but I feel like players should have some sort of ranged option, with the drow auto granted feat Shuriken Expertise & 10k Stars activated at the same time, your ranged damage will be better than you'd expect.
Human is also a good choice if you'd rather have the dimension door dragonmark, you'll be quite ap starved though, so there won't be a lot of AP to spend in racial trees.

I haven't worked out enhancements for you, they are easily changeable, but a couple of things:
Generally The Acrobat tree is always better than the henshin Tree, abilities look the same, but the cost, or cooldowns are better in the acrobat version.
I dislike the henshin tree, I'd personally spend at most 12ap in there (Core 1, staff training1,2,3, animal [tortoise or monkey] , contemplation)
Get Hasteboost from the kensai Tree. it costs 6ap to get in the acrobat tree. 4ap in the kensai tree, gets +1 to hit & hasteboost, (6ap in the kensa gets +1 extra actionboost.)

Just incase your wondering, the +sneak attack dice in Ninja Spy and assasin Stack.

[PnP2DDO]

I think I'm mis understanding something.

How are you taking the Master of Forms and Grand Master of Forms while leveling in Rogue?

[Munkenmo]

I think I'm mis understanding something.

How are you taking the Master of Forms and Grand Master of Forms while leveling in Rogue?

The feats were changed when the enhancement pass went live.

Monks get them free at monk levels 6, 12 & 18. Anyone with 1 monk level can purchase them at character levels 6+, 12+ & 18+

[PnP2DDO]

Ahhh..that makes things more interesting. I'm still new. How can I tell if a feat is usable at a character level as opposed to a class level?