Let's Talk About Update 21 XP Changes

[AtomicMew]

I think you should strongly, strongly reconsider the von 3 nerf. It provides a focal point for people to quickly enjoy a pug (even if it's faster to just solo, it's not as fun IMO). Without von 3, there is no focal point and pugs will noticeably decrease and take a lot longer to fill. I am not waiting around 5 minutes to get someone to join a group for other XP farming quests that only take 3 minutes.

Please reconsider.

[maddmatt70]

Thanks devs on the xp bumps. The only one I question is House of Death Undone. That one hopefully did not get a big bump as it already gave great xp per minute. I would like to ask/inquire/plead if you devs have examined epic elite vs. epic hard vs. epic normal xp. Epic elite should give more experience in comparison to the other difficulties then it currently does in my opinion. Can you upgrade epic elite experience by 20% or something of that nature?

[Silverleafeon]

+1 for increasing XP
+1 for communication! keep it coming!

+1

[Trillea]

We’re also planning to reduce the XP for one quest (on Epic only):

• Jungle of Khyber (Epic only)




This particular new thing - it is bad.

[Knockback]

The only one I question is House of Death Undone. That one hopefully did not get a big bump as it already gave great xp per minute.

I should mention that we're thinking about a content change to House of Death Undone (where/how you get the key) that would affect its XP/minute. That will not make it into Update 21, though.

[Atremus]

Please consider a boost to epic Party Crashers and Red Fens to give players more options in the early epic level range.

[Tuffgar]

Plz reread op. It says epic only. Which is completely fine.

I think you misunderstood the point of my post. It was not so much targeted at Jungle of Khyber exp changes, but at the reasoning behind why Turbine fiddles with the exp of quests. Jungle is only one example of a much larger issue.

[Ghoulstorm]

A Cabal For One has horrendously low XP on repeats. Something like 15-16K for an EH run.

Heroic isn't any better. Went to do it on HH for first time bonus yesterday after doing elite the previous day. I checked XP after walking in the door and just turned around and walked back out.

[fangblackhawk]

i agree with the people saying you should look at the xp of different dificultys. Epic Hard lords of dust the average mobs cr is just over 30, on EE the avrage mobs cr is just under 50 for a grand total of 300 xp more. aka a free daily die roll. also on this same note why are many heroic elites (cough wheloon) way harder than Epic normal version of the same quest! i realize elite is elite but epics by name should be harder than any heroic difficulty. AND i really hope VON 3 gets hit with a nerf bat not a hydrogen nerf bomb factory... though i totally agree it is almost to easy for the xp. i def remeber running what goes up the first time and after alot of swearing wondering what the xp was recalling and going back to giant hold and farming tor.....

[xTethx]

I think you misunderstood the point of my post. It was not so much targeted at Jungle of Khyber exp changes, but at the reasoning behind why Turbine fiddles with the exp of quests. Jungle is only one example of a much larger issue.

Ahh well your post sounded like you referring directly to heroic von 3 and relating it to other similar leveled quests and their xp. My mistake then.

[Zavier]

Pretty much in agreement with this, these quests suck and I really don't want to run them.




I think those of us that dislike these quest will not like them any better because they get a xp increase, I sure as hell wont be putting up a lfm for them even with these changes. As for the price of the pack shadowfail deserves its name and even 15$ is too much for it.

What really annoys me is the people that moan and groan on the forums think getting stuff nerfed will "force" people to play with them in their "preferred sandbox" and quite frankly it will have to reverse effect on me and very likely of like mind as me. Way I see it you can't "force" people to be your friends and play with you.

Von3 is a nice XP quest for farming off destinies, even casuals can run it once or twice a day or once every couple days for some decent XP. Changing this is just lame, in another thread about valcomms I said the agreed that the valcom drop-rate needed to be increased but didn't mind the 6mill XP karma requirement for ETR but this here will change my mind about the last bit.

Increase the xp of other quests to "encourage" poeple to run it more but leave von3 alone.

I concur.

I really have no desire to spend anytime in FR. Shadowfail, Wheloon prison, The King's Forest, The Stormhorns, those abominable druid quests, all of those quests, packs are LAME. I would rather run VON 3 ad nauseam from 20-28 than run any of those quests. Bumping the xp significantly will not get me to run them...ever.

[ranthrock]

So, here's what I'd like the devs to do:

1) Add up all the xp someone would get from running all the epic quests on EN and EH and taking xp as saga rewards:

2) Adjust epic xp and make it so that that number = 6,600,000.

3) Never let xp in an epic quest get below 30kish for a second run.

[PNellesen]

Please consider a boost to epic Party Crashers and Red Fens to give players more options in the early epic level range.

Agreed. In addition to an XP boost, Epic Fens sorely needs a gear boost as well (though that's another topic entirely).

I don't particularly agree with the hit to Von3 XP (depending on how BIG a hit it takes) though it's definitely not surprising. Please take into account how long a quest might take a group of first-life characters doing it at-level, and not just how long it takes a group of multi-TR'd level 28s...

[Battery]

hate the nerf to von3 but I expected it

WGU gets the biggest upgrade and I can't run it, unless you give the option of turning off the migraine effect.

[maddmatt70]

I should mention that we're thinking about a content change to House of Death Undone (where/how you get the key) that would affect its XP/minute. That will not make it into Update 21, though.

Hmm. I know a lot of people who either have a lockpicker or they have a chime which opens the door and that is super. If you decide to skp the door which can be picked or chimed and zerge through the kitchen without fighting you can also complete this very fast although the alert level does go up some, but it is super fast that way as well you just kill the two cats and the 4 guards in the side area before starting the end fight which reduces the alert level.

[murf201]

Hey Knockback , Not trying to derail you here . But i hope some of you guys will talk to us soon about some of the new content and maybe a ruff estimate on when lamania preview server will be making its comeback ! Other then that thanks for the information regarding xp changes and i appreciate your time !!

PS. If there not already thinking about it , Push the issue of the capstones and some cores needing upgrades at your next meeting ! Allot of us would really appreciate some feedback on that as well .

[RapkintheRanger]

Have u considered the wilderness areas?

I enjoy them but the diminishing returns for slaying and the number of required kills for the last few stages make it daunting. The early kills are both worth more and becasue rares are spawning and new locations show up the first few hours in a wilderness is pretty good. Then, you have the locations so that exp source disappears, you have most of the rares so that source of exp takes a 67% penalty and you are looking at a long uphill climb....


Something which either increased the exp towards the end or even just broke the last steps into doable chunks would help make slaying and wilderness areas last longer as playable experiences.

The Kings forest From DDO wiki for example:

Slay 10 creatures in The King's Forest: 2,655 XP = 265.5 xp/kill
Slay 25 creatures in The King's Forest: 3,576 XP = 238.4 xp/kill
Slay 50 creatures in The King's Forest: 4,815 XP = 192.6 xp/kill
Slay 100 creatures in The King's Forest: 7,020 XP = 140.4 xp/kill
Slay 200 creatures in The King's Forest: 11,025 XP = 110.25 xp/kill
Slay 400 creatures in The King's Forest: 18,855 XP = 94.27 xp/kill
Slay 750 creatures in The King's Forest: 31,185 XP = 89.1 xp/kill
Slay 1,500 creatures in The King's Forest: 63,990 XP = 85.32 xp/kill
Slay 3,000 creatures in The King's Forest: 128,745 XP = 85.83 xp/kill
Slay 5,000 creatures in The King's Forest: 178,500 XP = 89.25 xp/kill
Slay 7,500 creatures in the King's Forest: 233,505 XP = 93.40 xp/kill

[Buffyanne]

Hello everyone! We're planning another round of quest XP adjustments for Update 21, and we'd like to get your thoughts.

We've been listening to your feedback, so this time around we're looking specifically at epic quests. The exact details are still somewhat fluid, but I can definitely say we've increased the experience for 17 quests. Those quests are:

• Chains of Flame (Epic only)
• Trial By Fury (Epic only)
• The Druid's Curse (Epic only)
• Thorn and Paw (Epic only)
• Outbreak (Epic only)
• In The Belly of the Beast (Epic only)
• The House of Death Undone (Epic only)
• The Tracker's Trap (both Epic and Heroic)
• What Goes Up (both Epic and Heroic)
• Breaking the Ranks (both Epic and Heroic)
• A Break in the Ice (both Epic and Heroic)
• Lines of Supply (both Epic and Heroic)
• Army of Shadow (both Epic and Heroic)
• Through a Mirror Darkly (both Epic and Heroic)
• The Thrill of the Hunt (both Epic and Heroic)
• Friends in Low Places (both Epic and Heroic)
• A Lesson in Deception (both Epic and Heroic)

We’re also planning to reduce the XP for one quest (on Epic only):

• Jungle of Khyber (Epic only)

Knockback
Senior Content Designer

In almost every case the quests you are giving an increase in the xp to are difficult to get to. Thus, while this may be nice when they are run one time thru it really doesn't help players working on XP for destinies. If VON3 MUST be nerfed fine, but replace it with something else that is easy to get to. I don't understand why it has to be nerfed anyway - to all the oh I hate running it till my eyes bleed posts, then don't run it! No one forces you to. This seems like another another knee jerk recation to some loud whiney forum posts about Von3. There is nothing wrong with getting 100k plus in a quest when you are dragging the level cap up to what, 8 million experience needed to epic TR this year? 9 million experience? Even if you spread out the XP curve, VON3 is vital in allowing you to get thru the first epic levels quickly so you can actually put on your epic gear. Please remember, you cannot EVEN RUN EPIC STORMHORNS UNTIL YOU ARE LEVEL 24. Why make things more difficult for those going thru the early levels of epics without giving them a viable alternative?

Nothing is more unpopular than nerfing XP. You would think that the death of challenge running in the game following the massive XP nerfs would have been a lesson in this.

[Thar]

Von 3 - this wouldn't be run so much by overlevel toons (hence increasing the speed of completion) if the amount of xp needed for epic tr wasn't insanely high and there were other decent options to gain xp. Also all of the quests you mention need a rather full group and balanced group to complete or are stupid long to run or both.

[Vellrad]

Thanks to that guy that whined about von3 XP :/


IMO, you should increase druids derp chain XP in both heroic and epic.