Cetus: The Supreme Bladeforged Fighter

[EllisDee37]

That's a fair point. If you're going to have at least 11 paladin levels, paladin native healing is viable on a fleshie. (Particularly a human.)

Note that Cure Serious Wounds was essentially removed from the paladin spell book unless you go pure, since you don't get a third level 4 spell until 19.

[Nightmanis]

The awkward moment when you try to make a better build than pure pally and you fail

This really make me question how a pure fighter will fair. Obviously no where near as good but it wouldn't hurt to check.

[Nodoze]

That's a fair point. If you're going to have at least 11 paladin levels, paladin native healing is viable on a fleshie. (Particularly a human.)

Note that Cure Serious Wounds was essentially removed from the paladin spell book unless you go pure, since you don't get a third level 4 spell until 19.

Half-Elves with Monk Dilettante may be interesting also from a Heal Amp perspective though Human or PDK likely better overall for a Fleshie.

Paladin self healing is getting very interesting again and the Healing Amp is a pretty good equalizer with with the higher Repair spells available on Blade Forged. When self healing the pure 20 Paladin BladeForged can have the SLA with Repair Critical (instead of Serious) as a backup though in a raid or scenarios where other healing sources are available the healing amp may be better overall. Personally I don't like relying on Cocoon because the healing stops when the 150 temp HPs go away though it is awesome when you can get the full effect (especially with Healing Amp). I will be very interested to see what hits live...

[Cetus]

Why not fleshie? **** robots

Tested yesterday on mine with MRR bug fixed - 425 devotion (including emp. heal), 5 heal amp enhancements (2 human, 3 KotC), 20% + 30% gear.
CSW hits anywhere between 390 and 500 on non-crit. Cocoon ticks typically 150-200.
LoH around 1600.

Bladeforged doesn't JUST give me healing =D

Double PA bonus for THF with PA line, +5 tactics, -10% slashing damage defense, BF immunities, uber damage boost, extra fortification...i think if AP work out, BF is still better.

[Zoda]

Why not fleshie? **** robots

Tested yesterday on mine with MRR bug fixed - 425 devotion (including emp. heal), 5 heal amp enhancements (2 human, 3 KotC), 20% + 30% gear.
CSW hits anywhere between 390 and 500 on non-crit. Cocoon ticks typically 150-200.
LoH around 1600.

His favorite movie is RoboCop and his real name is Murphy, that sums it up

[Nodoze]

This really make me question how a pure fighter will fair. Obviously no where near as good but it wouldn't hurt to check.

I will be interested to see what splits folk come up with vs what is lost by not going pure 20, 18, etc. For example, if going for Tanking and trying to lock down the boss splashing Fighter 2 would give 3 feats (including Tower Shield) and one could maybe pick up some extra hate but I haven't studied the new stuff in flux enough to know yet what you lose... It will also be interesting to see how Monk stances with Evasion compare to heavy armor builds.

[Nodoze]

Bladeforged doesn't JUST give me healing =D

Double PA bonus for THF with PA line, +5 tactics, -10% slashing damage defense, BF immunities, uber damage boost, extra fortification...i think if AP work out, BF is still better.

I definately want to see how a viable tactics build lays out. I may end up with 2 paladins to contrast/compare when it hits live (one BF with Tactics and one Fleshie to try S&B/doublestrike/Hamp). My BF is likely ready to go though my Fleshie is currently farming fate points and ePLs and may lag awhile...

[Cetus]

His favorite movie is RoboCop and his real name is Murphy, that sums it up

Terrible

[the_one_dwarfforged]

with the introduction of harper and know the angles, does pure fighter suddenly become a lot more appealing?

19% double strike from cores is (i think?) roughly equal to 10% double strike and 10 mp.

int roughly takes the place of charisma and gives you more skill point (and more repair power if you pay to be a bf).

+5 tactics and action boosts from kensei that pally cant replace. frees up points from haste boost in ld.

not required to be good, minor but true...

power surge + keen edge + icon > holy sword?

[maddong]

So assuming pure paladin can I hear some more on pdk vs bf?

[Grailhawk]

19% double strike from cores is (i think?) roughly equal to 10% double strike and 10 mp.

No 1.19 vs 1.21 (1.1*1.1=1.21) its close but Zeal + PLD Capstone is better.

power surge + keen edge + icon > holy sword?

Not even close.

Holy sword needs to be dropped down to 19-20/x+1 or loose the +1 Threat, to get things into the same ball park.

[the_one_dwarfforged]

No 1.19 vs 1.21 (1.1*1.1=1.21) its close but Zeal + PLD Capstone is better.



Not even close.

Holy sword needs to be dropped down to 19-20/x+1 or loose the +1 Threat, to get things into the same ball park.

2 things:

1) roughly

2) icon

thanks for doing my homework though.

[Grailhawk]

2 things:

1) roughly

2) icon

thanks for doing my homework though.

Is Icon >= Keen Edge in your assessment?

Don't get me wrong pure 20 Fighter is a good build buts its not on the list of Optimal builds, 20 Paladin is.

[the_one_dwarfforged]

Is Icon >= Keen Edge in your assessment?

Don't get me wrong pure 20 Fighter is a good build buts its not on the list of Optimal builds, 20 Paladin is.

mathematically keen edge is superior, but icon has intangibles...

if its not then i think its pretty close. would like to see if its allure is enough to reconvert the new uberestest pally.

[Zoda]

Holy sword needs to be dropped down to 19-20/x+1 or loose the +1 Threat, to get things into the same ball park.

Easiest balance on holy sword would be to make it Holy Sword. Not Holy Falchion, Holy Khopesh and Holy Longbow. Every similar ability in the game is balanced by it's restriction to weapon types (staff specialization, assassin dagger thing etc), holy sword has no such restrictions. It'd be interesting to see if people would go eSOS pally over falchion kensai. An ability that has no equally powerful alternative is the definition of OP in my book.

[Pescha]

Honestly i still think cetus will do better...

[Zer0AcmE]

Honestly i still think cetus will do better...

Me too...

Currently playing TWF/Khopesh version (Dual Thunderforge for additional slots and damage types) and I simply plow over anything in my path.

27% Dodge (Maxed)
40% Double Strike (Standing, no boosts required)
62 PRR (Nothing special but every bit helps)

Considering going Bastard Swords, with a Twist of Fate swap and EE First Blood in offhand standing Double Strike would go to 50%. Not sure the extra 10% is worth the diff. between x3 and x2 crit. multi. though.

[Purkilius]

Bladeforged doesn't JUST give me healing =D

Double PA bonus for THF with PA line, +5 tactics, -10% slashing damage defense, BF immunities, uber damage boost, extra fortification...i think if AP work out, BF is still better.

and 3 mass repair spells if you go Pally...

[Grailhawk]

40% Double Strike (Standing, no boosts required)

You mind breaking that down for me?

9 PL
2 Strike with No though
5 PTWF
6-12 Gear?
10 Wind Stance?
3 Artifact?

[Zer0AcmE]

You mind breaking that down for me?

9 PL
2 Strike with No though
5 PTWF
6-12 Gear?
10 Wind Stance?
3 Artifact?

Here you go:

10 Wind Stance
5 Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
8 Item [Skirmisher's Bracers]
9 Double Strike Past Life x3
3 Twist of Fate [Hail of Blows]
3 Artifact [Black Dragon Set]
2 Kensi [Core - Strike with No Thought]
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40 Total

3 Twist of Fate [Running with the Wind]
15 EE First Blood [Replaces Skirmisher's Bracers]
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50 Total