Cetus: The Supreme Bladeforged Fighter

[Sithlordnamalk]

He fixed it thanks!

[unbongwah]

12Ftr/6Mnk/2Fvs is also a good option for those who cant stomach pally. You get quicken and some other stuff, lose 5 on saves.

It's a lot more than that:

15/15/15 Divine Grace w/CHA 40
3/0/0 pal 2 base saves
18/15/15

VS

3/3/3 FvS 2 base saves
3/3/3 Angelic Resistance (saves vs magic)
6/6/6

So that's a net loss of 12/9/9 on saves vs magic, 15/12/12 to non-magic saves (traps etc.). You could spend 6 APs on Inflame to get the +4 bonus to saves to narrow the gap, but that's an action boost, not a persistent bonus.

The main upsides are Div Might is a lot cheaper from the WP tree, you don't need the Bane of Undeath Twist anymore, and you can take Quicken and a few other perks from WP (+10 PRR, Inflame, etc.).

[Sokól]

It's a lot more than that:

15/15/15 Divine Grace w/CHA 40
3/0/0 pal 2 base saves
18/15/15

VS

3/3/3 FvS 2 base saves
3/3/3 Angelic Resistance (saves vs magic)
6/6/6

So that's a net loss of 12/9/9 on saves vs magic, 15/12/12 to non-magic saves (traps etc.). You could spend 6 APs on Inflame to get the +4 bonus to saves to narrow the gap, but that's an action boost, not a persistent bonus.

The main upsides are Div Might is a lot cheaper from the WP tree, you don't need the Bane of Undeath Twist anymore, and you can take Quicken and a few other perks from WP (+10 PRR, Inflame, etc.).

Quicken is huge on a BF and well worth it imo

[unbongwah]

Quicken is huge on a BF and well worth it imo

No argument there, just pointing out losing Divine Grace is a bigger hit to saves than volaxis thinks.

Another option would be ftr 10 / monk 6 / pal 4: you lose a feat & Power Surge, so it's a bit of DPS / tactics loss; but you keep Div Grace, no longer need BoU Twist, and gain access to Quicken, as well as Div Sacrifice & Exalted Smite if you want.

[Ravand]

I do believe that you are missing bow strength. Otherwise thanks for the breakdown man

Hey, thanks for catching that! I made a mistake at level 12 with the Fighter Bonus Feat, and took "Greater Weapon Focus, Slashing" instead of Bow Strength. I am fixing my original post, and ask you delete my mistake so no one mistakenly uses it.

You can quote my post here to preserve my mistake for posterity.

Thanks again for catching it and letting us all know.

Edit: Aaaaand I made another mistake. Thank you Encair and Unbongwah. Along with Sithlordnamalk, all three of you have been credited in the edit. Let's hope I got it right this time!

[Wipey]

Hey, thanks for catching that! I made a mistake at level 12 with the Fighter Bonus Feat, and took "Greater Weapon Focus, Slashing" instead of Bow Strength. I am fixing my original post, and ask you delete my mistake so no one mistakenly uses it.

Now you are missing that Greater Focus Slashing, duh.

[unbongwah]

I made a mistake at level 12 with the Fighter Bonus Feat, and took "Greater Weapon Focus, Slashing" instead of Bow Strength.

GWF is a pre-req for Keen Edge & One w/Blade; w/out it, this build is no longer centered. Unfortunately, feats are really tight on this build; I think the only ones which can be sacrificed are Stunning Blow, GTHF, or one of the Imp Crits.

[pesch1991]

Nice Build ! But why Wont you take first blood (feat) instead of perfect thf it provides a Lot more dps actually one more Thing as of update 21 : Epic Feats: First Blood - The damage dealt by First Blood has been increased from 5-100 to 50-300.

[Takllin]

Nice Build ! But why Wont you take first blood (feat) instead of perfect thf it provides a Lot more dps actually one more Thing as of update 21 : Epic Feats: First Blood - The damage dealt by First Blood has been increased from 5-100 to 50-300.

It is still only the first 10% of an opponents HP, which unless its a boss is just one swing of a sword. And even for bosses, unless you are soloing they go down fairly quick.

10% more GB is much more DPS.

[pesch1991]

It is still only the first 10% of an opponents HP, which unless its a boss is just one swing of a sword. And even for bosses, unless you are soloing they go down fairly quick.

10% more GB is much more DPS.

No... Go Test it for Yourself please its much more powerful

[Sokól]

No argument there, just pointing out losing Divine Grace is a bigger hit to saves than volaxis thinks.

Another option would be ftr 10 / monk 6 / pal 4: you lose a feat & Power Surge, so it's a bit of DPS / tactics loss; but you keep Div Grace, no longer need BoU Twist, and gain access to Quicken, as well as Div Sacrifice & Exalted Smite if you want.

Not a bad option imo the ability to heal quick is an underestimated dps, for new players with few past lives that will have trouble getting a good stunning blow might just be a better option!

[Takllin]

No... Go Test it for Yourself please its much more powerful

This extra damage won't trigger twice within three seconds.

It only triggers once every three seconds...

10% more GB damage is more sustained DPS, especially since you get GB damage with all cleave animations.

[pesch1991]

This extra damage won't trigger twice within three seconds.

It only triggers once every three seconds...

10% more GB damage is more sustained DPS, especially since you get GB damage with all cleave animations.

10% Gb dmg is a joke bear in mind that the dmg is increased Through helplessness with the improved Version of first blood and lets say +100% dmg on helpless Targets it will be close to disintergrate dmg thats no joke

[kierg10]

10% Gb dmg is a joke bear in mind that the dmg is increased Through helplessness with the improved Version of first blood and lets say +100% dmg on helpless Targets it will be close to disintergrate dmg thats no joke

glancing blows last life on my character were dealing about 60-80 damage on normal hits without pTHF while being undergeared, so 10% more GB damage could be another 10 damage on NORMAL HITS, which will increase a lot on cleaves (I have seen cleaves deal glancing blow damage of 150+, not even while blitzing) an average of 175 damage every three seconds is **** compared to pTHF.

While blitzing your glancing blows can hit for 400 or more, so ya lol @ 175 avg damage every 3 seconds XD

[Ravand]

GWF is a pre-req for Keen Edge & One w/Blade; w/out it, this build is no longer centered. Unfortunately, feats are really tight on this build; I think the only ones which can be sacrificed are Stunning Blow, GTHF, or one of the Imp Crits.

Thanks for pointing this out; I made the correction in my original post. Since I do not have completionist, GTHF competes with Blinding Speed, Epic Reflexes, and stunning blow (to me, the improved crits are too important to mess with).

This begs the question: Of these four remaining feats, which is the best? I am thinking of ditching Stunning Blow (since it is only a single target, 6s stun with a 15s cool down), but since it is part of the original build (and everything else was so well thought out) was wondering what the community thinks?

[pesch1991]

glancing blows last life on my character were dealing about 60-80 damage on normal hits without pTHF while being undergeared, so 10% more GB damage could be another 10 damage on NORMAL HITS, which will increase a lot on cleaves (I have seen cleaves deal glancing blow damage of 150+, not even while blitzing) an average of 175 damage every three seconds is **** compared to pTHF.

While blitzing your glancing blows can hit for 400 or more, so ya lol @ 175 avg damage every 3 seconds XD

Take gthf + first blood and you win anyway But you Seem to underestimate first blood helplessness isnt the only Thing that increased its dmg its like giving up on disintergrate every 3 sec

[Andoris]

Thanks for pointing this out; I made the correction in my original post. Since I do not have completionist, GTHF competes with Blinding Speed, Epic Reflexes, and stunning blow (to me, the improved crits are too important to mess with).

This begs the question: Of these four remaining feats, which is the best? I am thinking of ditching Stunning Blow (since it is only a single target, 6s stun with a 15s cool down), but since it is part of the original build (and everything else was so well thought out) was wondering what the community thinks?

Do not drop stunning blow, it is hands down, one of the most important feats in the build. Why do you think the build is focused on getting Str as high as it is.. primary reason, good tactics. Drop stunning blow and you might as well roll up something else.

[Andoris]

Take gthf + first blood and you win anyway But you Seem to underestimate first blood helplessness isnt the only Thing that increased its dmg its like giving up on disintergrate every 3 sec

Either you really haven't played the build or you are trolling..

Now you are recommending we give up 5% double strike for 175 damage every 3 sec (on the first 10% of a mobs hp) -- 5% double strike on a build that will hit for 500-1200+ per swing while not blitzing and 3k-12k+ per swing in blitz.

Please stop giving out really bad advice.

[pesch1991]

Either you really haven't played the build or you are trolling..

Now you are recommending we give up 5% double strike for 175 damage every 3 sec (on the first 10% of a mobs hp) -- 5% double strike on a build that will hit for 500-1200+ per swing while not blitzing and 3k-12k+ per swing in blitz.

Please stop giving out really bad advice.

What are you Talking about ? Learn how to read i was stating that replacing perfect thf with first blood will Provide more dps because 10% glancing blow dmg < ~200 untyped dmg (Even More with helplessness) i have been a melee for a Long Time and i dont Need you lecturing me and i didnt Mention doublestrike at all. Oh by the Way it Seems that you didnt Even use the feat for once claming it would only work for the first X% of hp how naive ^^

[LavidDynch]

What are you Talking about ? Learn how to read i was stating that replacing perfect thf with first blood will Provide more dps because 10% glancing blow dmg < ~200 untyped dmg (Even More with helplessness) i have been a melee for a Long Time and i dont Need you lecturing me and i didnt Mention doublestrike at all.

Too lazy with no character tool on Lamannia, does this apply to all mobs when you cleave?