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[taurean430]

that is funny so many replys , ok someone posted after my last post , the fs would actually have to draw agro , thats my point , u have a 28 melee types and 28 divine hitting a mob who would draw the agro and who need heals , and i wouldn t die if i drew the mobs i run around a corner and turn invisible , they worked that spell out nowadays , u actually are , before u were kinda sorta and mobs still homed in on you like missles with -4 to hit , now they go "wow where did he go " lol , and true i can t solo 1/2 the quest on ee cause the hired help can t take a beating and dont know when to run , i can do more solo ee with my pally cause he can intim the mobs away from the squishy guy , but soloin on ee takes alot of time you gotta be cautious and lure a few at a time till u can bum rush , , whats faster a fighter running in circles trying to heal cause his dps drew all the agro with a healer chasing the mobs cause he will never meet the dps lvl the fighter dished out , or the fighter bashing it out with awsome dps and a healer healing him , u want logic heres logic , melee drop dps front lines , arcanes thrash with mana second lines , and divine heal from where ever they are standing , come on now u ever watched a fs swing his powerful mace he as fast as a old lady , if we were basing attack by round what does he get 2 attacks every 2 rounds and 3 ever 3rd combat round be something like 1/2 1/2 1/3 , im shure some one has a players handbook they can give us the the real count my fighters only 22 and he chomps out like 180 or 200 i think on normal hits and 4 to 600 on crits and he use a antique great axe mostly so he loses that shield bonus (have u ever seen a fs or cleric use a great hammer all the time , there doing 1/2 to 1/4 the damage ), ill have to go play em to tell ya but i know its close, thats not including feat hits , but i am shure u cannot argue melee builds damage ratios are higher if not fighters would be worthless , but all in all thks its a fun talk with you all

So...

With the dps numbers you are citing in your example here - what exactly is it that makes you think you are worth healing? Even my bard does double that sitting in Fatesinger. Multiplicatively more in a melee destiny. And he heals himself with no outside help.

Methinks the old lady is you.

[Angelic-council]

ive seen this post alot as of late , funny thing is most of the time its the same fs , first off yea thats easy to say as a fs , but when it comes to the bosses or packs of mobs , i never see that fs in the forfront of battle , heck from what ive seen his dps doesn t even draw agro from a kobold , so they byoh then hide behind the real killers , at the end look at the kill count 1 out of 30 does he even have a few kills and they were just ks from a already agrod mob , and if u can heal and your putting byoh just really lame , even as my intim pally i still wacth ppls hp and heal as much as i can (which is alot with enhancments and epic des ) but to say as a favor soul , im not a healer is kinda a lie isn t it and to act like your gonna be the dps master is prob not gonna happen or youd be soloing elite by yourself

Fvs can solo many EE alone (75% of them) depends on build, spec, gear and ofc experience.
We can't really judge people, I think you should never judge people in DDO. No matter what.. You can give them a chance, but nothing else. One thing you have to understand that, it's DDO.. There is reason why some people don't follow original role. Divine = heal. You can't really blame players for that, it's DDO devs who wanted to give us more freedom in game play.. Here we are now.

You see.. I understand you my friend. Just ask me how many times I said "are you serious?"..
It's a game after all, there is many kids and not well educated people in here. Don't take me wrong! I'm NOT saying that you all are not educated or kids lol... I respect each one of you, but.. Sometimes you can try, but then let it go.. Don't keep that stressful stuff inside you.
What about that evoker divine or melee divine, who knows about them.. If you don't like the system or player, you should just let it go.. They never gonna change anyways. Oh btw, take a look.. Why are there so many healing pots now.. Scrolls, massive boost to UMD.. Because people like it, some people love to try different stuff even if it's failure. I can go on and on and on... Please believe me and understand that.. It's a game and you pretty much have no choices.

I wish you best of good luck

[Deadlock]

Which is not the kind of groups I enjoy.... so I do not join them, even though I have been BMoH since before BYOH groups existed.

If you do not like BYOH groups, I suggest you do not join them.

If enough people do not join them, they will gradually decline in popularity.

You're caricaturing BYOH parties based on your lack of experience of them, or based on the random forum posts that frequently pop up where someone has a bad experience and sounds off like a d-nozzle?

Can't remember the last time I didn't put BYOH in an lfm I've put up. I'm happy to take anyone who hits the lfm. I do expect them to be reasonably self sufficient, but that doesn't mean that I won't toss them a heal to avoid losing the xp bonus. If they die then I rarely get so frustrated by it that I need to pass a comment. Can't say never, definitely happens if it's something mind-numbingly stupid, but it's pretty rare.

I tend to put an lfm up just to offer up spaces to anyone who wants it, often when we're about to start the quest anyway if it's not already IP. We'll do the quest regardless of whether anybody else joins or not, so I don't see how people not joining will affect that from my point of view.

[Astraghal]

Hilarious.

[FestusHood]

So...

With the dps numbers you are citing in your example here - what exactly is it that makes you think you are worth healing? Even my bard does double that sitting in Fatesinger. Multiplicatively more in a melee destiny. And he heals himself with no outside help.

Methinks the old lady is you.

I'd be curious to know how exactly your bard is doing 360-400 damage on a normal hit. We're talking no adrenaline, no blitz, no special attack, and especially, no crit. There must be a crapton of stacking damage bonuses i'm unaware of, at least 200 points worth. Or maybe you've figured out how to get your strength up to a maintainable 450?

[taurean430]

I'd be curious to know how exactly your bard is doing 360-400 damage on a normal hit. We're talking no adrenaline, no blitz, no special attack, and especially, no crit. There must be a crapton of stacking damage bonuses i'm unaware of, at least 200 points worth. Or maybe you've figured out how to get your strength up to a maintainable 450?

No.
I'm just apparently not failing math? Seriously, 600 crits? At level 28? On a melee that can't defend itself? This is the very definition of a pileon.

[prophet1]

what my fighters 22 not 28 and ive been too lazy to lesser rezz him to 32 , but unless your bard is weilding the extra cool sword of shadows epic epic version idk about that (and yea i just gave you an out , quick take it and claim the sword )hahaah

[taurean430]

what my fighters 22 not 28 and ive been too lazy to lesser rezz him to 32 , but unless your bard is weilding the extra cool sword of shadows epic epic version idk about that (and yea i just gave you an out , quick take it and claim the sword )hahaah

I don't need that considering my FvS outdamages your fighter given what you've stated. I'd just carry you to the shrine until you got the point. And try not to laugh into the mic...

[prophet1]

wow this was such a fun argument , wonder what i can pick on next to start another hahahaah