Help me find the Highest Possible Overall Saves (Heroic - Self Buffed Only)

[Failedlegend]

So yeah its about that time again, my brain is itching to solve another mystery...this is whats the highest possible overall saves a single character can achieve based solely on class features, stats and feats IOW no equipment, Self cast spells only and no ED stuff. The only other rule is the character has to be usable...not super powerful just usable otherwise things just get ridiculous.

Oh and because this is my thread I'm banning Bullheaded,Discipline,Great Fortitude, Great Fortitude,Iron Will ,Lightning Reflexes,Luck of Heroes,Resist Poison and Snake Blood because nobody would ever actually waste a feat slot on those.

Now I could be way off but at the moment I'm thinking a Paladin/Monk (Monks get fantastic saves and Grandmaster of Water and Paladins get Divine Grace and their Aura to boost them even more) with primary stats Wis/Dex/Con (Will, Reflex and Fort respectively) with a decent Cha (To fuel divine grace) and a focus on Sacred Defender (partially because it allows you to add a bunch more +Xs to your various saves but also because your gonna be a pretty tough cookie may as well spec to be able to tank).

Not really sure what to do with the final level so I took 1 fighter for an extra feat to fit in GTWF. Race wise Halfling was chosen for bonus to dex (more reflex, -str does not affect saves) and their core enhancements that boost saves.

Something like this. (Note: First life character and 32pt please stick to that for sake of simplicity)


Current Best

Halfling Monk12/Paladin6/FvS2 (Shintao/Defender)

Dex 16+1(Lvls)+2(Halfling)+5(Tome) = 24 (+7)
Con 16+4(Tome) = 20 (+5)
Wis 16+4(Lvls)+4(Water Stance)+2(Shintao)+4(Tome) = 30 (+10)
Cha 14+2(SaD)+4(Tome) = 20 (+5)

Feats:

1 Dragonmark
3 Resilience
6 Empowered Healing
9 ITWF
12 IC:Bludgeoning
15 GTWF
18 Grandmaster of Forms

Monk Feats

1 TWF
2 Weapon Finesse
3 Light Path
6 Stunning Fist



Reflex

7 Dex Mod
8 Monk Lvls
2 Pally Lvls
2 FvS Lvls
5 Divine Grace
4 Paladin Aura
3 Sacred Defense
4 Resilience
3 Halfling
3 Ninja Spy Agility
1 Resistance Pally Spell
5 Water Stance
47


Fort

5 Con Mod
8 Monk Lvls
5 Pally Lvls
2 FvS Lvls
5 Divine Grace
4 Paladin Aura
3 Sacred Defense
4 Resilience
3 Shintao Conditioning
3 Halfling
1 Resistance Pally Spell
5 Water Stance
48

Will

10 Will Mod
8 Monk Lvls
2 Pally Lvls
2 FvS Lvls
5 Divine Grace
4 Paladin Aura
3 Sacred Defense
4 Resilience
3 Halfling
1 Resistance Pally Spell
3 Henshin Contemplation
5 Water Stance
50

Original Attempt


Halfling Monk13/Paladin6/Fighter1 (Shintao/Defender)

Dex 16+1(Lvls)+2(Halfling)+5(Tome) = 24 (+7)
Con 16+4(Tome) = 20 (+5)
Wis 16+4(Lvls)+4(Water Stance)+2(Shintao)+4(Tome) = 30 (+10)
Cha 14+2(SaD)+4(Tome) = 20 (+5)

Feats:

1 TWF,Stunning Fist
2 Weapon Finesse
3 Dragonmark, Light Path
6 Resilience
9 SF: UMD
12 ITWF, Toughness
15 IC:Bludgeoning
18 Grandmaster of Forms
19 GTWF

Note: Stuff that saves against X (against poison, fear or traps) instead of just a flat bonus to saves don't count because their limited to specific things

Reflex
7 Dex Mod
8 Monk Lvls
2 Pally Lvls
5 Divine Grace
4 Paladin Aura
3 Sacred Defense
4 Resilience
3 Halfling
3 Ninja Spy Agility
1 Resistance Pally Spell
5 Water Stance
45

Fort
5 Con Mod
8 Monk Lvls
5 Pally Lvls
2 Fighter Lvl
5 Divine Grace
4 Paladin Aura
3 Sacred Defense
4 Resilience
3 Shintao Conditioning
3 Halfling
1 Resistance Pally Spell
5 Water Stance
48

Will
10 Will Mod
8 Monk Lvls
2 Pally Lvls
5 Divine Grace
4 Paladin Aura
3 Sacred Defense
4 Resilience
3 Halfling
1 Resistance Pally Spell
3 Henshin Contemplation
5 Water Stance
48

[Failedlegend]

OK I've edited the OP with the saves the build can obtain (I have tested that you'd have enough Enhancement Points btw) is there anything that would get higher overall...or maybe I missed something for this build?

[Wipey]

Missing few most "obvious " sources
6 Resistance Item, 4 GH, 2 Good Luck, Fire finisher...
Exceptional from Omniscience ring, Gnawed Set, Greensteel.
There should be more we forgot.

EDIT : Derp, didn't read your whole post.

[Drwaz99]

Missing few most "obvious " sources
6 Resistance Item, 4 GH, 2 Good Luck, Fire finisher...
Exceptional from Omniscience ring, Gnawed Set, Greensteel.
There should be more we forgot.

EDIT : Derp, didn't read your whole post.

Ninja edited by yourself...

[Failedlegend]

Missing few most "obvious " sources
6 Resistance Item, 4 GH, 2 Good Luck, Fire finisher...
Exceptional from Omniscience ring, Gnawed Set, Greensteel.
There should be more we forgot.

EDIT : Derp, didn't read your whole post.

I also don't have +6 items

I figured items are just a waste of time since everyone has equal access to it.

[Firewall]

Do Epic Levels count? If yes then i would add Bulwark of Defense (since Resilience counts as a defensive stance), Epic Reflexes/Fortitude/Will, or maybe Greater Stat Feats to boost saves. Do Action Boosts to saves from enhancements or races count?

[Failedlegend]

Do Epic Levels count? If yes then i would add Bulwark of Defense (since Resilience counts as a defensive stance), Epic Reflexes/Fortitude/Will, or maybe Greater Stat Feats to boost saves. Do Action Boosts to saves from enhancements or races count?

Naw stuff gets a little nuts in epic

[unbongwah]

AFAIK, there's no way to add DEX to unarmed dmg, unfortunately; and since to-hit ain't worth what it used to be, I don't see much point in going for Finesse.

Also, you will get a bigger boost to saves w/FvS 2 splash instead of ftr; plus you can get Div Might cheaper and add +10 PRR from Warpriest. This also opens up the Heal skill & access to Emp Heal, if you really want halfling DM. There is more to survivability than just high saves, after all.

Quick-n-dirty build attempt:

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Level 28 Lawful Good Halfling Female
(6 Paladin \ 12 Monk \ 2 Favored Soul \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 381
Spell Points: 617 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 30
Reflex: 25
Will: 29

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             11                    13
Dexterity            15                    19
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               16                    27
Charisma             14                    16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Healing
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Monk)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 10 (Favored Soul)


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Monk)


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Jorasco Dragonmark Focus (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Jorasco Dragonmark Focus (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Halfling - Jorasco Dragonmark Focus (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Halfling - Lesser Dragonmark of Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Break Out The Leeches (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Greater Dragonmark of Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Protection from Tainted Creatures (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Hand (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Argent Fist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Ki Shout (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Exemplar (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Exemplar (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Exemplar (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Violence Begets Violence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Empty Hand Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Divine Righteousness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Resilient Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Resilient Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Resilient Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Smite Foe (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Wall of Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Wall of Steel (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Wall of Steel (Rank 3)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Vorpal Strikes


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Improved Martial Arts


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Elusive Target

Skills: I would max Concentration & Heal (or maybe UMD).

PRR (Earth Stance): 25 Sacred stance + 10 Wall of Steel + 15 GM of Forms + 15 Iron Skin + 15 Standing w/Stone = 80 PRR (~36% dmg reduction)

Would also work well as 16/2/2 split: give up Sacred stance (+25 PRR +3 saves), but gain Quivering Palm, Adamantine Strike, +0.5[W], and +5% run speed. That frees up APs from SD for, say, Enflame or more DPS enhs.