Bard: Spellsong Vigor now single-target?

[Backley]

https://www.ddo.com/en/update-20-patch-1-release-notes:

Spell Song Vigor now only affects a single target (as per its description)

Then give us back Spell Song Mana Burst! I accepted Mana Burst being removed because Vigor was changed to AOE.

And combine Wand & Scroll Mastery with Wand & Scroll DC like you said you would!

Bards need love not nerfs.

[Scrag]

https://www.ddo.com/en/update-20-patch-1-release-notes:


Then give us back Spell Song Mana Burst! I accepted Mana Burst being removed because Vigor was changed to AOE.

And combine Wand & Scroll Mastery with Wand & Scroll DC like you said you would!

Bards need love not nerfs.

Yes. This is a horrid change, and while bards are great general classes, this was something that helped them be a little better than average...

[AzB]

It just means more time singing songs, which is something we don't need.

OTOH, song casting durations are reported to be shorter and the song of heroism now affects more than one target, so it's kind a of a wash.

Ah, the life of a bard in DDO. One step forward, one step back. I can understand it though... the balance of power needs to be maintained and great care must be made to be certain bards don't ever overpower monks.

[LOOON375]

How is it a nerf when that's the way it's supposed to be, and it's how it used to be?

It wasn't WAI.

[ric0]

NVM, brain fart.......

[Atremus]

The change to Spell Vigor is annoying but it's not like people will notice in a party full of Sharadi casters and Monks.

[SisAmethyst]

I really appreciate that you fix bugs, I really do. So if this wasn't WAI, well done. However I in this case I would have expected you think twice and maybe make this functionality WAI instead. Bards really didn't deserve to get hampered by this singing ten times the same song over and over again. It's already a pain to do the other single target buffs...

[5chinoble]

1: First it was the song of capering, the duration for the song to land is so long now you're better off casting Ottos Irresistible twice instead, making it pointless

Fix: put it back the way it was you could actually use it to on beholders really well, now by the time the songs finished your about -9 neg levels, and disintrigrated

2: What was the reasoning that you put the SP song back to a single target ?

Fix: can we find the Dev that nerfed the bard and give him/her a big hug and say... its ok the world isnt all bad, you can now undo your torture of the bard class


but really... bards are not FOTM, bards arent the most popular class, if anything they're probably at the lower end of classes that are played, so why nerf them.. if anything you could undo these changes and they at least helped bards

[Njohrd]

/signed

[nikos1313]

i dont even play my bard for long time now, but i totally agree with the title... Devs.. seriously?

[5chinoble]

I really dont get it sometimes

There are combinations that really need to be looking into, abilities that are just silly, classes that every tom, **** and harry is making... yet its the bard that gets the nerf bat...

I mean really

[AzB]

I was just on Cannith and saw an lfm for a lvl 27 pure bard soloing one of the new quests. The comments said "at boss, need help not enough dps to kill". And he was on casual. Sounds like a pretty freaking epic class there.

This is why bards need to be nerfed. They are waaaaaaaaaay too overpowered.

And really, every class should be capable of soloing quests on casual. Either remove the stupid "red name blanket immunity" mechanic, or give the bard some real tools for dps. Gear, a better Warchanter pre, something.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

/signed

Perhaps our bard songs were cutting into profits too deeply???

As for crowd control, the bard has long been shafted by the devs at Turbine. If gnome is truly coming... I want to see illusion spells FINALLY make their way into the game for bards. Its time to give bards a rework to put crowd control back in the class... and make it better than it was before.

[Visual_Nobu]

i love bards... but not on DDO, they are all but not usefull at all. and now that they nerfed again are even more badly. A pure bard CC and heal should be able to buff the party fast in the raids or in EE quest. at the moment is a challenge to do that. before u need 1 song to make some spell point coming back overtime, now u need to buff with that song every single target and its a waste of time because u can ask ur selfe this in a raid: "i buff every caster and healer in the party with spellsong vigor wasting prolly 3 minutes, or help with CC heals and use scroll?" simple answer... Devs should think why a class is so unplayed, and try to get it better, and its not only because is an hard class to build and play... Even many enhanc. of the WC are not really usefull. So why nerf a class like this when is already not easy to play on SS CC version and not so played at all in general?


PS: level cap up to 30 im sure that now we can prolly toss in the gargabe the DC of the bard on that level... and the bard too maybe...

[Bolo_Grubb]

Because of the way Song of Capering was changed, I TR'd my Bard to be a Arti/Rogue crossbow user. As a Bard he was just not any fun to play. Now I am even happier he is no longer a bard.

[Teh_Troll]

ZOMG! We have a game with no class balance at all, mostly because of the insanely broken abilities of Pay2win monks, and Turbine decides to NERF BARDS!!!!!

Oh man . . . please tell me there's a hidden paladin nerf in here as well.

What an awesomely trollerific monday.

[Aliss7]

Man, people really hate it when you take their toys away from them even when it's clearly not WAI. :P Queue up the hate when turbine fixes twists of fate!

[AzB]

Man, people really hate it when you take their toys away from them even when it's clearly not WAI. :P Queue up the hate when turbine fixes twists of fate!

Actually, they went one further and made sustaining song single target only, and it is supposed to be a group thing. And technically, they're not taking my toys away from me, they're taking them away from everyone else in the group. I can always sing to myself, but rarely is a group going to stand there and let me sing individual songs for each person.

And yeah, kinda hard to compare twists at low levels to a freaking bard song. That's like comparing racing a minivan against a formula 1 car.

[nichefish]

fascinate is great cc for soloing, but while playing in (decent) group it have generally no use, using it even slowers the quest progression. its most common use is for emergency handling. in most party-wiping situation i know i'll survive and could raise the party safely.. but that's all.

perhaps way-shortened enthrallment casting time may bring bards a little changes...

[Teh_Troll]

Oh the poetic justice keeps rolling in . . . look what monks got fixed, piling on even more Pay2win goodness . . .


Other Changes

Stunning Fist and Quivering Palm now again properly charge Everything is Nothing.

In the same patch that NERFS BARDS!

This is awesome.