And it turns out that the theoretical maximum number of Ameliorating Strike procs for a Tempest/Warpriest would be at least 12 with DoD and some doublestrike (Thousand Cuts) - or possibly 16 if you can get significant offhand doublestrike without the 18 and 20 Tempest cores...Originally Posted by unbongwah
Never managed to verify more than 8 myself though, the combat log doesn't scroll far enough back by the time there's a lull in the fighting... anyone know of a way to get it to write directly to local disk too? ;-)
Turns out it's not actually too difficult to get to ~80 search/disable by 28 with this thing (12 ranger / 7 cleric / 1 rogue split) while still keeping all of DoD & Evasive Dance 3, Ameliorating Strike, ddoor and Exposing Strike/Sniper Shot. Beyond that, requires tomes, stacking bonus gear, and other interesting stuff... or reallocating APs.
80 is enough for a lot of lowish-level EE already.
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Originally Posted by unbongwah
The U23 improvements to Dance With Death make it pretty much a must-have for any Tempest build. And with the recent changes to pallies, I'm leaning more towards the rgr 12 / FvS 4 / pal 4 split. Dropping from FvS 6 to 4 costs you lvl 3 spells, your lvl 6 bonus feat, and lvl 5 elemental DR; but with pal 3 you gain defensive stance and pal 4 will get you Turn Undead. Rgr 12 / cleric 5 / pal 3 would also work, since that lets you keep lvl 3 divine spells.
First stab at a new F2P Tempest Warpriest:
It costs 54 APs to pick up Ameliorating Strike plus the first rank of Dance of Death, so you can't have both until at least lvl 14. There's 6 APs left over which I haven't decided what to do with; likewise the lvl 24 feat.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.23.01 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 28 Lawful Good Human Female (3 Paladin \ 12 Ranger \ 5 Cleric \ 8 Epic) Hit Points: 342 Spell Points: 750 BAB: 18\18\23\28\28 Fortitude: 20 Reflex: 15 Will: 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28) Strength 16 23 Dexterity 14 14 Constitution 14 14 Intelligence 8 8 Wisdom 8 8 Charisma 14 14 Level 1 (Ranger) Feat: (Human Bonus) Dodge Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead Feat: (Selected) Power Attack (or Precision) Level 2 (Ranger) Level 3 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh Level 4 (Cleric) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host Level 5 (Cleric) Level 6 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Level 7 (Cleric) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Foe (Rank 1) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Resilience of Battle (Rank 1) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 1) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 2) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 3) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sacred Touch (Rank 1) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Weakness (Rank 1) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 1) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 2) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 3) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 1) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 2) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 3) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 1) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 2) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 3) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Energy Absorption (Rank 1) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Energy Absorption (Rank 2) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Energy Absorption (Rank 3) Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Ameliorating Strike (Rank 1) Level 8 (Ranger) Ability Raise: STR Level 9 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 10 (Ranger) Level 11 (Ranger) Level 12 (Ranger) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1) Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Graceful Death (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 3) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 2) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 3) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1) Level 13 (Ranger) Level 14 (Ranger) Level 15 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell Level 16 (Ranger) Ability Raise: STR Level 17 (Paladin) Level 18 (Paladin) Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell Level 19 (Paladin) Level 20 (Cleric) Ability Raise: STR Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Deflect Arrows (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 2) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 3) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 1) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 2) Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 3) Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1) Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Defense (Rank 1) Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 1) Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 2) Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 3) Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 1) Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arcane Archer (Rank 1) Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Morphic Arrows (Rank 1) Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Conjure Arrows (Rank 1) Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Corrosive Arrows (Rank 1) Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1) Level 21 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical Level 22 (Epic) Level 23 (Epic) Level 24 (Epic) Ability Raise: STR Level 25 (Epic) Level 26 (Epic) Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting Level 27 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed Level 28 (Epic) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Elusive Target
Cleave and Gt Cleave are no longer pre-reqs for Overwhelming Crit; but Cleave is still a pre-req for Momentum Swing, so you'll need to take the feat if you wish to pick it up.
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Sadly, no one gave me enough Tome pages to claim a pair of Phosphors, so I haven't tested a ML variant yet. How stingy! Originally Posted by mlhammerdown
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I suppose it's finally time to post a reasonably complete build plan, with some notes... Originally Posted by mna
(BTW, anyone else notice EllisDee37's new (still unfinished) character planner?)
My current character has "too much" Wis (since I only have level 4 spells, 14 after gear and buffs would be enough), I'd think my build points would be better spent according to this thing when I ETR... and I might exchange Great Cleave for something else too; it was great for leveling but not really optimal in epics with 100% offhand attacks.
But for even more low-level ease of play or independence from gear requirements, maybe swap back some points into Wis from Cha.
Reflex saves could be better. Dex tomes would be nice for both that and longbow attack mod, and would also help qualify for Dodge as one of the feats.
I didn't bother with Khopesh Proficiency because I figured the benefits weren't that great really - early on I was using two-handers and someone was selling Axes of Adaxus for a reasonable price, so I went from two-handers to scimitar offhand and Adaxus mainhand after 6 Ranger. Possibly use an offhander that gives bonuses or nice effects to mainhand too for those cleaves. (Erosive of Deception for example. This thing gets enough sneak attack dice to be noticeable, anyway.)
Reallocating enhancements to maximize trap skills is an alternative, with those maxed this thing can get something like +7 permanent and +10 temporary to disable, and much more still to search and spot, but that's out of DPS and self-healing. Anyway, this build can also work for a first-lifer joining TR-zergtrains in the trapper role if you do that - I did. (They may also like your DDoor.)
On single foes, hit Warpriest Smite first for that +5% damage on special attacks and then Dance of Death; on groups hit Dance of Death first to Smite several. Then all the other DoD-able specials... Exposing Strike would be DoD-able too, but I preferred to have the ranged alternative because I switch to bow quite often anyway.
Strongly recommend scimitar offhand and axe mainhand for Legendary Dreadnought at least; Anvil of Thunder hits with both weapons, multi-hits during Dance of Death, and the on-crit stun procs on the offhand crit too so the scimitar crit range for that is nice. Though, the optimal destiny would probably be FotW anyway, or possibly Divine Crusader which also has DoD-enabled special attacks among other nice stuff.
Tempest Warpriest trapper
12/7/1 Ranger/Cleric/Rogue
Human
Level Order
1. Rogue. . . . . .6. Cleric. . . . .11. Ranger . . . . 16. Ranger
2. Cleric . . . . .7. Ranger. . . . .12. Cleric . . . . 17. Ranger
3. Ranger . . . . .8. Cleric. . . . .13. Ranger . . . . 18. Ranger
4. Cleric . . . . .9. Ranger. . . . .14. Cleric . . . . 19. Ranger
5. Ranger . . . . 10. Cleric. . . . .15. Ranger . . . . 20. Ranger
Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt. . .32pt . . 34pt. . .36pt . . Level Up
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Strength. . . . 16 . . . 16. . . .16 . . . 16. . . .4: STR
Dexterity . . . 11 . . . 12. . . .13 . . . 12. . . .8: STR
Constitution. . 14 . . . 14. . . .15 . . . 16. . . 12: STR
Intelligence. . 14 . . . 14. . . .14 . . . 14. . . 16: STR
Wisdom. . . . . .8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . 20: STR
Charisma. . . . 11 . . . 14. . . .13 . . . 14. . . 24: STR
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: STR
Skills
. . . . .Rg Cl Rn Cl Rn Cl Rn Cl Rn Cl Rn Cl Rn Cl Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn
. . . . . 1 .2. 3 .4. 5 .6. 7 .8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
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Concent . 2 .1. 3 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 23
Disable . 4 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 23
Search. . 4 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 23
Spot. . . 4 . . . . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 .3. 1 .1. 1 .1. 23
UMD . . . 4 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 23
Balance . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 .1. 1 .1. .8
Open Lo . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Bluff . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Jump. . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Move Si . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Hide. . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
Tumble. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
Perform . œ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .œ
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. . . . .44 .5. 9 .5. 9 .5. 9 .5. 9 .5. 9 .5. 9 .5. 9 .9. 9 .9. 9 .9
Feats
.1. . . . : Power Attack
.1. . . . : Least Dragonmark: Passage
.2 Deity. : Follower of: Sovereign Host
.3. . . . : Cleave
.3 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
.6. . . . : Great Cleave
.9. . . . : Empower Healing Spell
11 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Construct
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Slashing
12 Deity. : Unyielding Sovereignty
15. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
18. . . . : Point Blank Shot
18 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic . : Quicken Spell
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic . : Blinding Speed
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
Spells
Ranger
- Ram's Might, Jump
- Barkskin, Protection from Energy
- Neutralize Poison, Wild Instincts
Cleric
- Cure Light Wounds, Nightshield, Protection From Evil, Divine Favor, Shield of Faith, Remove Fear
- Cure Moderate Wounds, Find Traps, Lesser Restoration, Remove Paralysis, Resist Energy
- Cure Serious Wounds, Remove Curse, Remove Disease, Prayer
- Cure Critical Wounds, Death Ward, Freedom of Movement
Enhancements (80 AP)
Human (7 AP)
- Damage Boost
- Dragonmark Focus: Orien I, Skill Focus: Nimble Fingers I, Improved Recovery
- Lesser Dragonmark: Dimension Door
Tempest (39 AP)
- Shield of Whirling Steel, Tempest, Graceful Death, Deflect Arrows
- Improved Reaction III, Improved Defense III, Whirling Blades
- Bleed Them Out III, Whirling Blades, Haste Boost III
- <none>
- Elaborate Parry III, The Growing Storm I
- Evasive Dance III, Dance of Death III
Warpriest (22 AP)
- Smite Foe, Resilience of Battle
- Divine Might III, Toughness III, Awareness III
- Smite Weakness, Wall of Steel III, Inflame II, Inflame: Saving Throws II
- <none>
- Ameliorating Strike
Deepwood Stalker (12 AP)
- Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot
- Increased Empathy III, Versatile Empathy II
- Skill Boost II
Destiny (24 AP)
Fury of the Wild
- Tunnel Vision I, Primal Scream III, Strength
- Unstoppable Fury III, Acute Instincts III
- <none>
- Gird Against Demons I, Sense Weakness III, Overwhelming Force III
- Fury Eternal
- Unbridled Fury
Twists of Fate (3 fate points)
- Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
- Technician (Tier 1 Shadowdancer)
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Here's a partial draft of what trapping-related enhancements you might want to take (eventually) if going this route: Originally Posted by mna
Enhancements (48 of 80 AP)
Human (18 AP)
- Saves Boost
- Dragonmark Focus: Orien I, Skill Focus: Nimble Fingers III, Improved Recovery
- Lesser Dragonmark: Dimension Door, Skill Focus: Awareness III
- Skill Mastery, Heroism
- Greater Heroism
Mechanic (7 AP)
- Arbalester
- Mechanics III, Awareness III
Deepwood Stalker (11 AP)
- Far Shot
- Increased Empathy III, Versatile Empathy I
- Skill Boost III
Arcane Archer (4 AP)
- Arcane Archer
- Awareness III
Warpriest (4 AP)
- Smite Foe
- Awareness III
Tempest (4 AP)
- Shield of Whirling Steel
- Improved Reaction III
Note that early on you're much better off taking Skill Boost from Human instead.
Spells, remember that Wild Instincts is +10 Spot and Find Traps is half cleric level +search...
Anyhow. When you can take level 13, you can have all of the above except Wild Instincts. At that point you'll have... hm, let's see... 16 ranks of Search & Disable, and 14/16 of either Concentration or Spot.
Enhancements total +13 permanent search/spot, +7 disable. Spell and SLA self-buffs, +7 Search, +4 Spot & Disable. Skill boost +6 everything. Stat mod... well, let's assume +5 Int mod (14 base + 6 item, right?) and +2 Wis mod, because swap stat items aren't that hard to find nowadays.
You should also be able to afford +5 tools for +7 disable, and IIRC those have been around even on Wayfinder's Auction House.
That'll then be, search 16 + 13 + 7 + 6 + 5 = 47 and disable 16 + 7 + 4 + 6 + 5 + 7 = 47 + d20, with just an Int item... OR no Int item at all but with Korthos +3 trapper gear.
http://ddowiki.com/page/DDO_informat...s_and_locks/11 says "suspected requirement to disable everything" for effective level 13 quests (11 +2 heroic elite) is 53. Assuming that's true, and since d20 is at least 1 -> 48 total... no exploding boxes.
And that's with no "twink" gear at all, no guild buffs, no friendly bard... just a first life all-f2p STR-based human with 1 level of rogue wearing ML 1 guaranteed-drop gear.
Spot is usually lower, but 14 + 13 + 4 + 6 + 2 = 39, you might miss the extra-hard hidden door in Tomb of the Forbidden but not much more than that.
You could probably keep up with a first-lifer's Cannith crafting abilities for a few levels longer but after that you'll need to hunt for gear, maybe even farm for specific named items.No longer completely f2p as of November 2014. Father of a few more DDO players.
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Question about ameliorating strike with 12 Ranger -- if you have 100% offhand through Tempest enhancements, does that mean that every time you use Ameliorating Strike, it's automatically at least 2 procs every time?
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It seems ranger enhancements had gotten even better while I was away from the game.
That does help but now I feel that the Ameliorating Strike is a bit expensive compared to what else I could get with those points... even so, that's several hundred points of "free" healing fairly often in melee. And self-cast Deathward is still good to have.
So, looks like this build would still work?
Well... it naturally doesn't proc when you miss. Originally Posted by LuKaSu
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Yes: the only problem (if you want to call it that) is DWS got seriously buffed last year; but since Ameliorating Strike is 22 APs and you'll want to spend up to 43 APs in Tempest (all of the T5s are good to have), you either don't have enough APs to spend in DWS or you have to sacrifice some of Tempest's T5s. E.g., 36 APs Tempest, 22 APs WP, 21 APs DWS (Adv Sneak Atk for +1 crit range), 1 AP human (Dmg Boost). Originally Posted by mna
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Yes indeed... though the 7 cleric is still nice to have for the Deathward and such, and AS isn't as important any more even while soloing once you get Cocoon and such. Originally Posted by unbongwah
Becomes even more of a build where you may want to do enhancements differently based on the rest of the party, if any. And also quest difficulty.
I mean, maxed trapper spec would still give up both AS and ASA if you really need to.
My current character (level 28, haven't played it to 29 yet) is well short of ASA in the DWS tree but has some points in trap skills and dragonmark of ddoor.No longer completely f2p as of November 2014. Father of a few more DDO players.
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Remember that Rejuvenation Cocoon's HoT only lasts as long as the temp HPs do. So you will hit a point where Cocoon alone is no longer sufficient for in-combat heals, because mobs can do >150 pts of dmg in a single hit. Originally Posted by mna
That means you need to invest in other healing sources, of which AS is one option. So is CSW, Sacred Ground, etc.
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Yes... my "emergency heal now" button hasn't been Cocoon anyway but CCW with Emp Heal and Quicken. (7 cleric -> 3 level 4 spells; Deathward, FoM and the "spontaneous casting" CCW that you can't get rid of anyway.) Replacing Great Cleave with, say, Maximize would boost that still more. Originally Posted by unbongwah
Remember that Rejuvenation Cocoon's HoT only lasts as long as the temp HPs do. So you will hit a point where Cocoon alone is no longer sufficient for in-combat heals, because mobs can do >150 pts of dmg in a single hit. That means you need to invest in other healing sources, of which AS is one option. So is CSW, Sacred Ground, etc.
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Actually, I would like to know how would be a morninglord with this tempest warpriest build, as I was looking for something to make a fresh level 15 iconic first life. I understand that would be Pal3/Ranger12/Cleric5? What if I want to make a shadar-kai with the Rogue1/Ranger12/Cleric7? Any of those builds are viable nowadays? Originally Posted by unbongwah
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So this was the build I was alluding to earlier: Originally Posted by Bardet
The idea was to use dual Phosphors to start, then switch to Mornhs, hence IC:Blunt+Pulverizer. However, with the 10th anniversary freebie, if I was starting fresh, it makes sense to spec for one of the weapons in it, like Celestia. Or just go with a conventional khopesh build, which requires a bit of feat swappage, natch.Code:ML Tempest Warpriest 12/5/3 Ranger/Cleric/Paladin Lawful Good Morninglord Level Order 1. Cleric 6. Ranger 11. Ranger 16. Ranger 2. Cleric 7. Ranger 12. Ranger 17. Paladin 3. Cleric 8. Ranger 13. Ranger 18. Paladin 4. Cleric 9. Ranger 14. Ranger 19. Paladin 5. Ranger 10. Ranger 15. Ranger 20. Cleric Stats 28pt 32pt Level Up ---- ---- -------- Strength 16 16 4: STR Dexterity 14 14 8: STR Constitution 12 12 12: STR Intelligence 10 10 16: STR Wisdom 8 8 20: STR Charisma 14 16 24: STR 28: STR Feats 1 : Dodge 1 Deity : Follower of: Amaunator 3 : Precision 5 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead 6 : Mobility OR Point Blank Shot 9 : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning 9 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Giant 12 : Empower Healing Spell 14 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider 15 : Quicken Spell 18 : Stunning Blow 21 Epic : Overwhelming Critical 24 Epic : Bulwark of Defense OR Improved Critical: Ranged 26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting 27 Epic : Epic Reflexes 28 Destiny: Elusive Target OR Doubleshot 29 Destiny: Dire Charge 30 Epic : Epic Damage Reduction OR Blinding Speed 30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea OR Plane of Earth Enhancements (80 AP) Tempest (41 AP)- Shield of Whirling Steel, Tempest, Graceful Death, Deflect Arrows
- Improved Reaction III, Whirling Blades
- Improved Parry III, Improved Dodge III, Whirling Blades
- Storm Dancer, Improved Mobility III, Whirling Blades
- Storm Tempest, The Growing Storm III, Whirling Blades
- Dual Perfection, Cuts: A Thousand Cuts III, Whirling Blades, Dance of Death III
- Smite Foe, Resilience of Battle
- Divine Might III, Sacred Touch III
- Smite Weakness, Wall of Steel III, Inflame III, Inflame: Saving Throws I
- Inflame: Energy Absorption III
- Ameliorating Strike
- Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Exposing Strike
- Favored Defense II, Stealthy III
- Melee/Range Power Boost III
- Holy Bastion, Sacred Defense
- Item Defense I, Durable Defense III
- War0 Smite Foe; War1 Divine Might I, II, III
- War1 Sacred Touch I, II, III
- War2 Smite Weakness; War2 Wall of Steel I, II, III
- War0 Resilience of Battle; War2 Inflame I, II, III
- War3 Inflame: Energy Absorption I, II, III; War2 Inflame: Saving Throws I
- War4 Ameliorating Strike; Tem0 Shield of Whirling Steel
- Tem1 Whirling Blades; Tem1 Improved Reaction I, II; Tem0 Tempest
- Tem2 Improved Parry I, II, III
- Tem2 Whirling Blades; Tem3 Whirling Blades
- Tem3 Storm Dancer; Tem0 Graceful Death; Tem2 Improved Dodge I, II
- Tem3 Improved Mobility I, II; Tem4 The Growing Storm I, II
- Tem4 The Growing Storm III; Tem4 Storm Tempest
- Tem4 Whirling Blades; Tem1 Improved Reaction III; Tem2 Improved Dodge III; Tem3 Improved Mobility III
- Tem5 Dual Perfection; Tem5 Dance of Death I, II
- Tem5 Dance of Death III; Tem5 Whirling Blades; Tem5 Cuts: A Thousand Cuts I
- Tem0 Deflect Arrows; Tem5 Cuts: A Thousand Cuts II, III; DS0 Far Shot
- DS1 Stealthy I, II, III; DS1 Favored Defense I
- DS0 Sneak Attack; SD0 Holy Bastion; SD1 Item Defense I; (Bank 1 AP)
- SD1 Durable Defense I, II, III; SD0 Sacred Defense; DS2 Melee/Range Power Boost I
- DS2 Melee/Range Power Boost II, III; DS1 Favored Defense II; DS0 Exposing Strike
- Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III, Strength
- (none)
- Critical Damage III, Haste Boost III
- Anvil of Thunder
- Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
- Master's Blitz, Pulverizer
- Balanced Attacks (Tier 3 Primal)
- Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
- Lithe (Tier 2 Shadowdancer)
- Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
In order to save some APs, I skip Elaborate Parry+Evasive Dance, with the intention of taking epic Reflexes to hit no-fail saves (I hope!).
There are a few spare feats on this build; the question is do you invest in more survivability (Mobility / Bulwark of Defense / Elusive Target) or ranged DPS (PBS / IC:Ranged / Doubleshot). [DEX is too low for Combat Archery.] If you do take the ranged feats, you may wish to consider tweaking enhancements to take Morphic Arrows, which makes Pulverizer apply to bows. Alternatively, you might be able to max out your Dodge bonus just thru gear and don't need Dodge+Mobility; in which case you can drop those feats to pick up PBS + IC:Ranged.
Likewise, you need to decide early on whether you're going for Arborea or Plane of Earth (or other element); if it's PoE, you'll want to max out Spellcraft to boost Acid Spellpower. Note that Arborea's Enhancement bonus breaks Celestia's light property, so plan accordingly what to do with your raider's freebie.
It would look pretty much like what mna or I posted for human, minus a feat and some skill pts.What if I want to make a shadar-kai with the Rogue1/Ranger12/Cleric7?Semi-retired Build Engineer. Everything was better back in our day. Get off my lawn.
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03-12-2016, 11:27 AM #94Community Member
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Thanks a lot, it looks quite good! I'm going to take your advice and pick celestia por my fresh new morninglord. Cheers! Originally Posted by unbongwah
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(on 12/7/1 Shadar-Kai trapper warpriest)
... AND the dropped feat is the dragonmark, which is a lot of the utility right there. Still, playable. Originally Posted by unbongwah
Actually I sort of wonder if the human variant wouldn't be "good enough" for EllisDee37's repository, maybe even in a "specialty: general utility character" classification... with the DM, healing and elite-streak trapping on a first life f2p, even if the DPS is somewhat behind the more established 18/1/1 tempest trapmonkey.No longer completely f2p as of November 2014. Father of a few more DDO players.
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Interesting question: when I first cooked up these builds, DWS was weaksauce and the higher-level Tempest abilities were sorta blah, so you weren't giving up that much DPS with a deeper MC; and you gained a lot of free healing plus other perks from cleric 7. Now, though, the DPS sacrifice is a lot bigger compared to pure Tempests or TTs, which makes this build more niche-y. I was kinda hoping Warpriest would've been buffed by now so it would open up some new build options, but no such luck so far. Originally Posted by mna
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DEX to hit and damage on Scimitars w/ Merely 3 Levels of Ranger
I was recently building an Elf pure cleric, and I wanted it to have primarily a role of healing, protection, and support--which is quite different from the builds I've seen in this thread. (I'm not sure what their role is supposed to be.)
However, I figured out along the way that you can get DEX to hit and damage with scimitars on an Elf w/ only three levels of ranger by using the Valenar Grace enhancement from the Elf Enhancement tree alongside the second core (aka "Tempest") from the Tempest Enhancement tree.
Here are some warpriest/tempest builds based on the idea . . .
I've been making repeated updates to them, so if you'd like please hit the little >> after savingsoul in the quote below to see the latest version.
This happened mainly because I had the following experiment fresh in my mind . . . Originally Posted by savingsoul
Anyway, I think it is ideal for a dedicated healer not to go w/ less than 15 levels of Cleric, so the need for only 3 levels of ranger to get dex to hit and damage on one of the few favored weapons with a decent critical profile--i.e. the scimitar--was good news for me, especially since I love good reflex saves, evasion, and ac. The obvious thing to do after I made the discovery was to add two levels of fighter (2 feats), rogue (evasion), or monk (2 feats and evasion) for 15 Cleric/3 Ranger/2 X. Originally Posted by savingsoul
So naturally, after figuring all of this out, I wanted to do some research to see if someone had already addressed the possibility, so that I could maybe learn from it, and that is how I came across this thread. However, I was surprised to find that, as far as I can tell, nobody mentioned Valenar Grace.
The comment that comes closest to it was made by Hoglum . . .
He even mentioned Valenar training. I was thinking maybe Valenar Grace was implied, but when you read it within the context of the thread you can tell that he was more likely thinking of the dex to dmg on scimitar you get from the core of the Tempest Enhancements rather than from Elf. Oh well. Originally Posted by Hoglum
Since I've already learned a lot from this thread, and the people involved in the exchange here were/are knowledgeable about ranger/clerics, I was hoping to get some feedback on the builds I came up with to capitalize on this possibility. I know things have changed a bit since the OP, but maybe you know about those updates as well.
I'd appreciate any comments or criticisms you may have.Last edited by savingsoul; 07-08-2016 at 01:12 AM.
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this looks like a great build Originally Posted by unbongwah
im playing after a long time so can some plz tell me how to play this build as a human and with khopeshs instead of maces?
and what skills should i takeLast edited by Osama91; 07-11-2016 at 08:36 PM.
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Cleric 14 / ranger 6 (War domain)
The addition of domains adds some new options for this old build concept. This one is similar to rgr 6 / pal 14 builds like Eth's NYB 2.0, swapping paladin for cleric with War domain so you keep Holy Sword. Big boost to healing vs the survivability benefits from Sacred Defender. War domain also grants ALL weapon proficiencies at cleric lvl 5...or it will once it's unbugged.
Dreadnought would be higher DPS, of course, but Crusader feels more appropriate to this build which also functions as a party healer (Sacred Ground, +5 caster levels from Divine ED). If you want Blessed Blades for DR-breaking, change to one of the Good alignments instead of TN.Code:Tempest Warpriest (U36) 14/6 Cleric/Ranger True Neutral Human Level Order 1. Ranger 6. Ranger 11. Cleric 16. Cleric 2. Ranger 7. Ranger 12. Cleric 17. Cleric 3. Cleric 8. Ranger 13. Cleric 18. Cleric 4. Cleric 9. Cleric 14. Cleric 19. Cleric 5. Ranger 10. Cleric 15. Cleric 20. Cleric Stats 32pt 34pt 36pt Tome Level Up ---- ---- ---- ---- -------- Strength 16 16 16 4: STR Dexterity 14 14 14 +3 8: STR Constitution 14 15 16 12: STR Intelligence 8 8 8 +2 16: STR Wisdom 8 8 8 20: STR Charisma 16 16 16 24: STR 28: STR Feats 1 : Precision 1 Human : Exotic Weapon: Khopesh 1 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead 3 : Maximize Spell 3 Deity : Follower of: Onatar 4 Cleric : War Domain 6 : Empower Healing Spell 7 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider OR Construct 9 : Improved Critical: Slashing 11 Swap : Stunning Blow replaces Exotic Weapon: Khopesh 12 : Quicken Spell 12 Deity : Onatar's Forge 15 : Greater Two Weapon Fighting 18 : Empower Spell 21 Epic : Overwhelming Critical 24 Epic : Intensify Spell 26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting 27 Epic : Epic Damage Reduction 28 Destiny: First Blood OR Elusive Target 29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding 30 Epic : Blinding Speed 30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea OR Plane of Earth Enhancements (80 AP) Tempest (40 AP)- Shield of Whirling Steel, Tempest
- Improved Reaction III, Whirling Blades
- Improved Parry III, Whirling Blades, Haste Boost III
- Storm Dancer, Whirling Blades, Strength
- Storm Tempest, The Growing Storm III, Whirling Blades, Strength
- Dual Perfection, Cuts: A Thousand Cuts III, Whirling Blades, Dance of Death III
- Smite Foe, Resilience of Battle, Sanctuary, Blur
- Divine Might III, Sacred Touch III
- Smite Weakness, Wall of Steel III, Inflame III
- Inflame: Energy Absorption III
- Ameliorating Strike
- Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst
- Extra Turning III, Bliss I, Altruism III
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- Unyielding Sovereignty
- Damage Boost
- Improved Recovery
- Far Shot
- Hum0 Damage Boost; Tem0 Shield of Whirling Steel; Tem1 Whirling Blades
- Tem1 Improved Reaction I, II; Tem2 Haste Boost I, II
- War0 Smite Foe; War1 Divine Might I, II, III
- Tem2 Haste Boost III; Tem2 Whirling Blades; Tem2 Improved Parry I
- Tem2 Improved Parry II, III; Tem0 Tempest
- Tem3 Storm Dancer; Tem3 Whirling Blades
- Tem3 Strength; Tem4 Storm Tempest
- Tem4 Whirling Blades; Tem4 The Growing Storm I, II, III
- War1 Sacred Touch I; War2 Smite Weakness; War2 Wall of Steel I
- War2 Wall of Steel II, III; War2 Inflame I, II
- War2 Inflame III; Tem1 Improved Reaction III; Tem4 Strength
- Reset Warpriest
- Radiant Servant: Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst
- Extra Turning III, Bliss I, Altruism III
- Tempest
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- Cuts: A Thousand Cuts III, Dance of Death III
- Radiant Servant: Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst
- Tem5 Dual Perfection; Tem5 Whirling Blades
- War0 Smite Foe; War1 Divine Might I, II, III
- Hum1 Improved Recovery; Rad3 Unyielding Sovereignty
- War1 Sacred Touch I; War0 Resilience of Battle; War2 Smite Weakness
- War2 Wall of Steel I, II, III; War0 Sanctuary
- War2 Inflame I, II, III; War3 Inflame: Energy Absorption I
- War3 Inflame: Energy Absorption II, III; War1 Sacred Touch II, III
- War4 Ameliorating Strike; War0 Blur; DS0 Far Shot
- Endless Turning III, Interrogation, Purge the Wicked
- Consecration III, Flames of Purity I
- Sacred Ground, Empyrean Magic
- No Regret, Crusade
- Castigation, Heavenly Presence, Celestial Champion
- Strike Down
- Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
- Balanced Attacks (Tier 3 Primal)
- Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)
- Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
- Legendary Tactics (Tier 1 Dreadnought)
Onatar's Forge + War domain adds +10 DCs, which I hope is enough - along w/Div Might + Legendary Tactics - to keep Stunning Blow & Dire Charge DCs acceptable.Last edited by unbongwah; 10-03-2017 at 04:56 PM.
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War domain weapon proficiencies still bugged? or already fixed? Originally Posted by unbongwah
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