Improved finesse lich, feedback please!

[mikameow]

I have been working on making a pale master that has close to highest possible dcs and also semi decent melee skills. I think i may finally be getting close with this...

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Level 28 True Neutral Drow Male
(2 Ranger \ 18 Wizard \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 368
Spell Points: 1880 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 14
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             13                    16
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         11                    16
Intelligence         20                    37
Wisdom                8                    11
Charisma             10                    13

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
Balance               5                    24
Bluff                 0                     9
Concentration         4                    34
Diplomacy             0                     9
Disable Device        7                    28.5
Haggle                2                    18
Heal                  3                    31
Hide                  3                    13
Intimidate            0                     9
Jump                  5                    18
Listen               -1                    10
Move Silently         3                    16
Open Lock             5                    28
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                5                    22
Search                5                    27
Spellcraft            7                    44
Spot                  3                    15
Swim                  n/a                  n/a
Tumble                5                    15
Use Magic Device      2                    20

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elf
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Spell (1): Chill Touch
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors
Spell (1): Disrupt Undead
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Nightshield
Spell (1): Protection from Evil
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Spell (1): Tumble
Spell (1): Sonic Blast


Level 5 (Wizard)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (2): Lesser Death Aura


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Arcane Initiate
Spell (2): Knock
Spell (2): Ooze Puppet


Level 7 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Spell (3): Haste


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Spell (3): Chain Missiles
Spell (3): Fireball


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Spell (4): Negative Energy Burst
Spell (4): Death Aura


Level 10 (Wizard)
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (4): Ice Storm


Level 11 (Wizard)
Spell (5): Eladar's Electric Surge
Spell (5): Niac's Biting Cold


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell
Spell (5): Teleport
Spell (5): Protection from Elements


Level 13 (Wizard)
Spell (6): True Seeing
Spell (6): Greater Heroism


Level 14 (Wizard)
Spell (6): Circle of Death
Spell (6): Disintegrate


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
Spell (7): Finger of Death
Spell (7): Greater Teleport


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Spell (7): Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Spell (7): Banishment


Level 17 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
Spell (8): Otto's Irresistible Dance
Spell (8): Power Word: Stun


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Spell (8): Symbol of Death
Spell (8): Mass Charm Monster


Level 19 (Wizard)
Spell (9): Wail of the Banshee
Spell (9): Power Word: Kill


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Spell (9): Energy Drain
Spell (9): Meteor Swarm


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Mental Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Negative


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Damage Reduction


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Cold
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Dark Reaping (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Zombie (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Vampire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Wraith (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Lich (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Skeletal Knight (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy III (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy IV (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Necromantic Focus (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Improved Shrouding (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Resistance (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Resistance (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Tendon Cut (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Improved Weapon Finesse (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Damage Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Damage Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Illusion I: Invisibility (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Illusion II: Blur (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Illusion III: Displacement (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Energy of the Scholar (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Energy of the Scholar (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Energy of the Scholar (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Elemental and Force I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Intelligence (Rank 1)

8 remaining enhancement points go into eldritch knight for first two core abilitys, hp, and martial training for doublestrike. Only important gear for you guys to know about is main hand balizarde and off hand eh or ee nether orb necro focus. This toon is 3rd life with 2 wizard past lives. Planning to go dreadnaught with energy burst, necro dcs, and int twisted in. Any constructive feedback is appreciated. Also a kind of important question... If I'm wielding balizarde and orb do i need two weapon fighting to avoid penalties or is it like using a one handed weapon and a shield?

[LordTigerDawn]

orbs are treated as shields with a AC bonus of 0. This goes for feats as well... (shield mastery for example)

[unbongwah]

Clever idea using rgr 2 to get Imp Weap Finesse; however I'm not convinced it's worth it. Your DEX is only 4 pts higher than STR; that's easily compensated for thru Rage spell, Tensers, etc. Plus any build which starts below CON 12 makes me wince, even if you did take a +5 CON tome. Plus you may have near-max DCs, but I don't see any metamagics like Maximize.

Maybe if you were going for TWF and/or Manyshot as well I could see the appeal of rgr 2 splash; otherwise I'd think you'd be better off w/rog or ftr 2 splash and skipping Finesse.

[Arkadios]

Clever idea using rgr 2 to get Imp Weap Finesse; however I'm not convinced it's worth it. Your DEX is only 4 pts higher than STR; that's easily compensated for thru Rage spell, Tensers, etc. Plus any build which starts below CON 12 makes me wince, even if you did take a +5 CON tome. Plus you may have near-max DCs, but I don't see any metamagics like Maximize.

Maybe if you were going for TWF and/or Manyshot as well I could see the appeal of rgr 2 splash; otherwise I'd think you'd be better off w/rog or ftr 2 splash and skipping Finesse.

Or monk, which begs the question can you be centred with an orb in your off-hand? (celestia+orb).

[mikameow]

Your right ungongwah, no idea why i wanted finesse in the first place. I was exhausted when i made this so apologies. Anyway iv been thinking and iv come up with a slight variation. Cant use character builder since it doesn't work with tred iconics but here is the rough sketch that i made on paper.

18wiz/2monk lred morninglord(3rd life)

base ability scores
Str:18
Con:10
Dex:8
Int:20
Wis:8
Cha:8

Feats
Base feats: Greater necro focus, Cleave, Great cleave, Heighten, quicken, wizard past lifeX2
Wizard feats: Mental toughness, Necro focus, Maximize, Empower
Monk feats: Toughness, Power attack
Epic: Epic necro focus, Overwhelming crit, Epic dr
Epic destiny: Necro spellpower, Frost spellpower

Notable gear:
EE nether orb(necro focus)
Balizarde(prof using EK)

Destiny
1. Magister spell focus necro
2. Draconic energy burst frost
3. Magister int

Questions:
1. Will dcs be high enough for 95% finger in ee gianthold?
2. Do cleave, great cleave, momentum swing, and lay waste work with 1h wep+orb?

Other constructive feedback will also be appreciated, ty