New cookies: the trend of lazy design and shifting casters/dex melees continues

[phalaeo2]

If you are playing EEs it means you have a bit of knowledge of the quest you are doing and cast Displacement as you run toward a group of mobs.

If the quest is your first time on EE, you just try to keep yourself displaced and/or, if you have limited clickies, you cast it as soon as you see the above group of mobs.

In any scenario, you don't need 10 seconds to cast displacement. Don't even need 5.

I have Displacement constantly cast on my melee bard. Yes, it does mitigate a lot of damage, but I'm still whipping Heal scrolls in EE. Consider also, said bard uses a Celestia in one hand (UMD check), so there is some slight UMD lag switching out to a heal scroll and back in.

I'm not saying you're wrong.... you're totally right... just there may be other things to consider.

As far as these cookies? Suck, suck, suck for the reasons given already. I gave up eating Abishais on my DC Cleric. 5 inventory slots, and by the time I've eaten them, my group is waaaay ahead of me.

[Wizza]

STR tactics. I know exactly 0% players that use them in endgame ee's. Maby you know a whole comunity i somehow missed?

Either you don't play EE content or you just run with the wrong people, simple as that.

And displace right? All in the way to the next group... Cool. Stars seam to be aligned permanently where you came from.

Is this serious? My rogue does that all the time. You might need to learn to play a bit better. Or at least accept the fact that you can't doesn't mean it is impossible to do.

Just a twist? You seam to have those in abundance, can i have some?

Right, because in a party of 6 noone will have Primal Scream

I'd also like to know how you got to that max. of +15 str from d.might. Bet you twisted at least 3 charismas :P

Really?

40 cha:

12 Starting
10 Item
1 Exceptional
2 Insightful slotted
5 Tome
2 Yugo

Already 32 with minimal effort for an easy +11. Now, you could add 14 Starting, 11 item, litany for another +2 Mod but I'll leave that out as you will somewhat say those are hard to get or whatever.

I have Displacement constantly cast on my melee bard. Yes, it does mitigate a lot of damage, but I'm still whipping Heal scrolls in EE. Consider also, said bard uses a Celestia in one hand (UMD check), so there is some slight UMD lag switching out to a heal scroll and back in.

I'm not saying you're wrong.... you're totally right... just there may be other things to consider.

As far as these cookies? Suck, suck, suck for the reasons given already. I gave up eating Abishais on my DC Cleric. 5 inventory slots, and by the time I've eaten them, my group is waaaay ahead of me.

Yeah, it doesn't make you invincible but my point is that casting Displacement, Tenser and any other buff does not take as long as some people claim to do. 10 secs for a Displacement clicky/scroll..lol.

[PrimalConcreteSledge]

Is this serious? My rogue does that all the time. You might need to learn to play a bit better. Or at least accept the fact that you can't doesn't mean it is impossible to do.

Your rogue trades DPS for something you think might compensate. Mobs won't align to give you your scrolling space.

Really?

40 cha:

12 Starting
10 Item
1 Exceptional
2 Insightful slotted
5 Tome
2 Yugo

Already 32 with minimal effort for an easy +11. Now, you could add 14 Starting, 11 item, litany for another +2 Mod but I'll leave that out as you will somewhat say those are hard to get or whatever.

Do we have a comunication problem? If i ask for a breakdown of mentioned +15str (you know above the standard +3 insight that comes on items for every stat) and you give me 8 i rly don't care is it with minimal effort or not. It is clear that you like to bloat things out of proportion in order to atempt to prove your point and count on other ppl to be to lazy to do the math.

[Wizza]

Your rogue trades DPS for something you think might compensate. Mobs won't align to give you your scrolling space.

My rogue trades nothing for Survavibility. In fact I scroll before while I run towards them. This may be too hard for you to understand but it is what it is.

Do we have a comunication problem? If i ask for a breakdown of mentioned +15str (you know above the standard +3 insight that comes on items for every stat) and you give me 8 i rly don't care is it with minimal effort or not. It is clear that you like to bloat things out of proportion in order to atempt to prove your point and count on other ppl to be to lazy to do the math.

Lazy to do the math? In my post I specifically said BETWEEN +4 AND +15. AFAIK, +11 is exactly between those numbers. You are trying too hard. Maybe you should learn to read what other posters type.

+15 STR from DM is when you have everything maxed. And no, I did not say above the +3 insight standard. Sure, make it a +12 if you really want that. It's still a +12. Even if that was "just" a +8. It's still an easy +8. Get over it.

[taurean430]

Your rogue trades DPS for something you think might compensate. Mobs won't align to give you your scrolling space.

Any toon that expects to survive in EE's without being tethered to a a healer trades dps for survivability. Trading a couple of starting str points for the ability to gain it back and more in modifiers due to another mechanic isn't a loss at all. It's all gain actually...

Do we have a comunication problem? If i ask for a breakdown of mentioned +15str (you know above the standard +3 insight that comes on items for every stat) and you give me 8 i rly don't care is it with minimal effort or not. It is clear that you like to bloat things out of proportion in order to atempt to prove your point and count on other ppl to be to lazy to do the math.

I think you need to read that post again.

[PrimalConcreteSledge]

Any toon that expects to survive in EE's without being tethered to a a healer trades dps for survivability. Trading a couple of starting str points for the ability to gain it back and more in modifiers due to another mechanic isn't a loss at all. It's all gain actually...

I agree in general. However, in this case i was quoting a rogue remark. To elaborate: First of all, my rogue manages agro. When he messes up, he uses imp. uncunny dodge. Displace is rarely used, and mostly from a GS clicky i have equiped anyway.

I think you need to read that post again.

We have been talking about str/dex difference. A +15 has been mentioned but it didn't hold...

[moo_cow]

I'd also like to know how you got to that max. of +15 str from d.might. Bet you twisted at least 3 charismas :P

16 charisma
+11 item
+2 slot
+5 tome
+3 human power surge boost
+1 human
+1 litany
+2 ship buff
+2 yugo
+1 insightful
+2 completionist
= 46 charisma

+18 str

+15 str if you - the insightful str 3, however not wearing it allows you to slot something else.

And also that isn't even max lol, know what you are talking about before you say stupid ****. Reading your other posts I guess you have no idea what you are really talking about.

[PrimalConcreteSledge]

16 charisma
+11 item
+2 slot
+5 tome
+3 human power surge boost
+1 human
+1 litany
+2 ship buff
+2 yugo
+1 insightful
+2 completionist
= 46 charisma

+18 str

+15 str if you - the insightful str 3, however not wearing it allows you to slot something else.

And also that isn't even max lol, know what you are talking about before you say stupid ****. Reading your other posts I guess you have no idea what you are really talking about.

hey you forgot shirady epic moment!

but yeah i stand corrected, it theoretically is posible, however, definitely not easely.

EDIT:
Why would i take human and give up horc if i'm going for max str?

[moo_cow]

hey you forgot shirady epic moment!

but yeah i stand corrected, it theoretically is posible, however, definitely not easely.

EDIT:
Why would i take human and give up horc if i'm going for max str?

If you are going for max str build you would be splashing cleric/fvs/or pally, that being said :

- H-orc automatically gets -2 charisma so -1 str compared to human.

-------Fighter-------

h-orc:
20 starting
+2 tree
= 22 str

Human:

18 starting
+1 human
+3 surge
+2 (+1 human charisma, +3 surge)
= 24 str
human doesn't lose charisma so they end with +1 more str in the end
= 25 str
(power surge keeps the surge bonuses going)

-------Barb-------

20 starting
+2 tree
+2 orc scream
+2 power rage
= 26 str

Human:

18 starting
+1 human
+3 surge
+2 (+1 human charisma, +3 surge)
= 24 str When boosting otherwise,
= 20

Fighter results better in human, h-orc for barb

For any other classes trying to max str

h 0rc

20
+2 tree
+2 orc rage
= 24

human
18
+1 (net 2 charisma)
+1 human
= 20

25 str when using action boosts.