Tempest sucks

[Teh_Troll]

Other than the low-hanging fruit this entire tree is weaksauce.

Tried out being mostly tempest for two weeks an a toon that was mostly AA then switched back to her normal "melee mutt" build. Dumping the Tempest stuff down just enough APs to get 90% off-hand and hast boost . . . the DPS loss for gaining back the slayer arrows is so little (EE Sobrien melee beat-down times went up be 2 seconds) that I cannot say a high investment in Tempest at all is worth it.

The upper teir stuff . . . all ****. I've never noticed having improved evasion or not . . . 1000 cuts sucks, etc . . . all the top end stuff is so bad.

I'm not sure what to do to fix it either.

[voodoogroves]

Set it on fire, feed the ashes to the wolves and set the wolves on fire.

After you feed them bard and paladin trees.

[Teh_Troll]

Set it on fire, feed the ashes to the wolves and set the wolves on fire.

After you feed them bard and paladin trees.

RANGER doesn't suck . . . you can slap together a mutt-build that's pretty strong with a little from each of the trees. I'm not sure that's a good justification for makeing the high-end of tempest bad.

[voodoogroves]

RANGER doesn't suck . . . you can slap together a mutt-build that's pretty strong with a little from each of the trees. I'm not sure that's a good justification for makeing the high-end of tempest bad.

And that makes ranger different than Bard and Pally

Spellsinger gets a nerf. Thankfully, everyone has their Eyld Edge already ... right?

[Qhualor]

yes. it needs to be juiced up with more ways to boost damage. theres not enough good damage boosting enhancements and too many different ways for survivability. I really wish we could have class enhancements. if I want to focus on 1 prestige, why do I need to pick enhancements and level through the other 2 to get what every Ranger type should have anyways? if I want the favored enemy line, I have to level through DWS. for more spell points, I have to get it from AA.

[toaftoaf]

ya rangers are only good for AA. or multiclass 6 ranger 6 artie and 8 what ever the hell you want

[Teh_Troll]

ya rangers are only good for AA. or multiclass 6 ranger 6 artie and 8 what ever the hell you want

Paladins are only good for a 2-4 level splash, but their fine to right?

[toaftoaf]

Paladins are only good for a 2-4 level splash, but their fine to right?

i was about to start thinking about my pally lives. 6 ranger 6 artie 8 pally.. but thanks for "teh" heads up

p.s. ghostbane

[BOgre]

The main prob with the Temp tree is short duration, long cooldown clickies. There needs to be a LOT more multi-target passive abilities to complement a Temp's TWF style. Bonuses for Exotic Weaps. Bonuses to Cleaves and Great Cleaves. Bonuses to TWF defense. It COULD be a good tree if it was designed to form/fit/function of a two weapon fighting Ranger... instead it's just a timer micromanagement weak nonsense tree... No reason to spend more than 24 pts, and even that is a stretch, which is just wrong... Spending less than half your points in a PrE tree in order to be decent in the spirit of that PrE... bizarre.

(which by the way Troll is why I was interested in Enh's No Yellow Bar build. Looks pretty good to me.)

[Oxarhamar]

ya rangers are only good for AA. or multiclass 6 ranger 6 artie and 8 what ever the hell you want

whats the point? 10 Arti 10 whatever is even better and works with everything except Druid

[Teh_Troll]

i was about to start thinking about my pally lives. 6 ranger 6 artie 8 pally.. but thanks for "teh" heads up

p.s. ghostbane

My current pally life is 8 pally/6 ranger/6 rogue.

So . . . do you feel like scrubbing your brain with bleach since you had a thought similar to mine?

[Teh_Troll]

The main prob with the Temp tree is short duration, long cooldown clickies. There needs to be a LOT more multi-target passive abilities to complement a Temp's TWF style. Bonuses for Exotic Weaps. Bonuses to Cleaves and Great Cleaves. Bonuses to TWF defense. It COULD be a good tree if it was designed to form/fit/function of a two weapon fighting Ranger... instead it's just a timer micromanagement weak nonsense tree... No reason to spend more than 24 pts, and even that is a stretch, which is just wrong... Spending less than half your points in a PrE tree in order to be decent in the spirit of that PrE... bizarre.

Exactly, the high tier stuff is just bad.

(which by the way Troll is why I was interested in Enh's No Yellow Bar build. Looks pretty good to me.)

My "Melee-Mutt" is very similar though it sacrifices 10% off-hand for slayer arrows.

[Tscheuss]

My current pally life is 8 pally/6 ranger/6 rogue.

So . . . do you feel like scrubbing your brain with bleach since you had a thought similar to mine?

My current pally life is a lawful good rogue with LR +20 heart.

[Vellrad]

You should change name to teh_whine, as this is what you do lately.

[Tscheuss]

You should change name to teh_whine, as this is what you do lately.

[toaftoaf]

My current pally life is 8 pally/6 ranger/6 rogue.

So . . . do you feel like scrubbing your brain with bleach since you had a thought similar to mine?

naa, i only feel creepy when tirdbine thinks the same as me, makes me feel dirty

[toaftoaf]

You should change name to teh_whine, as this is what you do lately.

that is the only thing left to do while our game gets destroyed by corporate greed

[Antiguo]

I like Tempest for the aoe-dps, but i dont really like the short-cooldowns/short-buffs approach, and having to rely on being in fury for controllable (and useful) melee CC is a pain.

[Teh_Troll]

You should change name to teh_whine, as this is what you do lately.

I only whine when you fail to hjeal meh in a timely manner. As a cleric you should know that's your job.

[cdr]

Pretty much agree with OP, if not with the troll title. There's a ton of good stuff packed into Tempest core and tier 1-3, but tier 4 and 5 are garbage. Bunch of activated attacks that do nothing while having huge cooldowns.