Commendations of Valor Update

[Vellrad]

Unless those alleged fixes include dramatically lowering both the Commendation of Valor and Karma cost, you're wasting everyone's time.

No more easy buttons plz.

[Satyriasys]

No more easy buttons plz.

Easy button? No it's just too time consuming. Easy has nothing to do with it. The Devs have already said their intent was for players to be able to purchase a heart upon reaching cap, or come close to it. They are currently a few thousand short.

[Qhualor]

I have a question.
Are epl feats available at heroic lvls, meaning if you get that doublestrike active feat, can you use it below lvl 20?

Yes.

Oh good, more power creep to continue trivializing heroics. Can't say I'm surprised because I said this would happen weeks ago. Maybe now players will be content losing the use of twists in heroics soon (TM)?

[Drwaz99]

No more easy buttons plz.

Nothing easy about it. Currently hearts are double the price they should be. And instead of fixing the main cause (they are too expensive) they are putting bandaids. Probably spending more money on development time for these "fixes" trying to avoid lowering the costs than they would have by adjusting the amount down and losing the occasional heart sale.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that the upcoming "rewards" you can purchase with Vcomms with have to be bought with Vcomms and not these Heart Seeds. So everyone who converted them to save space won't be able to convert them back and have to farm even more Vcomms if they want to buy these new consumables.

On the other hand if they are anything like the current potions, they will be overpriced and basically worthless so we don't have to worry about it.

[Enoach]

These changes are a step in the right direction -

I appreciate preserving the Turbine Desire to keep Commendations of Valor BTC and giving players a BTA option in a reasonable chunk

I look forward to the resolutions you have planned for the other issues concerning this system.

[Vellrad]

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that the upcoming "rewards" you can purchase with Vcomms with have to be bought with Vcomms and not these Heart Seeds.

It wouldn't suprise me too, as Varg said seeds will be for hearts only.

[Satyriasys]

Oh good, more power creep to continue trivializing heroics. Can't say I'm surprised because I said this would happen weeks ago. Maybe now players will be content losing the use of twists in heroics soon (TM)?

The devs even asked us if we think epic feats should be usable in heroics, and while a few of us were against it we were outnumbered by those who wanted it. This is also why the epic feats we got are on the weaker side, to balance for heroics. A very poor decision in my opinion. Since epic TR brings you to level 20 these really have no place in heroics.

[redspecter23]

Nothing easy about it. Currently hearts are double the price they should be. And instead of fixing the main cause (they are too expensive) they are putting bandaids. Probably spending more money on development time for these "fixes" trying to avoid lowering the costs than they would have by adjusting the amount down and losing the occasional heart sale.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that the upcoming "rewards" you can purchase with Vcomms with have to be bought with Vcomms and not these Heart Seeds. So everyone who converted them to save space won't be able to convert them back and have to farm even more Vcomms if they want to buy these new consumables.

On the other hand if they are anything like the current potions, they will be overpriced and basically worthless so we don't have to worry about it.

Varg essentially said exactly that. Seeds are used for hearts only. The other purchasable items such as potions are bought with coms so the character with the coms has to buy them. Heart seeds were created with two purposes. To ease up on bag storage and also to allow the coms to basically be bta but only for the purchase of hearts. To see anything other than this from the dev statement is to read it wrong.

However, it doesn't change the fact that these other purchasable items, including potions are completely pointless for anyone looking to earn hearts through coms as you would never spend even a single com until you have all the past lives you need. Not to mention the fact that you basically "turn off" all but the best end rewards as well as they are in direct competition. Not an issue now because of "ghostbane" but when lists start looking a bit more interesting, there will be conflicts.

I agree that the com cost should come down or awarded coms should go up. Along with this, give us all very compelling things to spend our coms on other than hearts so we will actually be tempted to blow our coms on other items and they buy the heart in the store to speed us along. Turbine still makes their sales while enticing us to spend coms on other things in game. Everybody wins.

[Teh_Troll]

Unless those alleged fixes include dramatically lowering both the Commendation of Valor and Karma cost, you're wasting everyone's time.

Well . . . I don't consider my time wasted if it means I can get off a few good trolls . . .

[Ovrad]

No more easy buttons plz.

There's nothing challenging about farming CoV for a month to be allowed to grind ERs. It's just a waste of time.

[Qhualor]

The devs even asked us if we think epic feats should be usable in heroics, and while a few of us were against it we were outnumbered by those who wanted it. This is also why the epic feats we got are on the weaker side, to balance for heroics. A very poor decision in my opinion. Since epic TR brings you to level 20 these really have no place in heroics.

Exactly. I have a lot more to say about it, but this isn't the thread for it. But I will say real quick i don't think the devs know what reincarnation actually means and of course players will want moar power. Its one of those things I always say "players don't always know what's best for the game".

[SilkofDrasnia]

No more easy buttons plz.

Oh so you want to get rid of Epic Destinies altogether? I mean that is the biggest easy button in this game.

So sorry but when peeps start claiming "easy button" I just can't help but react like it is a doo000oomm post.

[Kaytis]

The compelling thing about the game is advancement is it not? The feeling that one is making progress.

Making us grind 150 to 200 quests per toon per life so that we may once again start advancing is a really *really* poor idea.

There should be no significant cost to TR'ing. If the goal is to keep us playing the game, then don't throw roadblocks in the way. Let us play.

TR should be free and at will when we reach cap.

[Drwaz99]

Varg essentially said exactly that. Seeds are used for hearts only. The other purchasable items such as potions are bought with coms so the character with the coms has to buy them. Heart seeds were created with two purposes. To ease up on bag storage and also to allow the coms to basically be bta but only for the purchase of hearts. To see anything other than this from the dev statement is to read it wrong.

However, it doesn't change the fact that these other purchasable items, including potions are completely pointless for anyone looking to earn hearts through coms as you would never spend even a single com until you have all the past lives you need. Not to mention the fact that you basically "turn off" all but the best end rewards as well as they are in direct competition. Not an issue now because of "ghostbane" but when lists start looking a bit more interesting, there will be conflicts.

I agree that the com cost should come down or awarded coms should go up. Along with this, give us all very compelling things to spend our coms on other than hearts so we will actually be tempted to blow our coms on other items and they buy the heart in the store to speed us along. Turbine still makes their sales while enticing us to spend coms on other things in game. Everybody wins.

I know he said that. But if they are going to claim this change is to ease storage issues, make them reverse convertible (like you can downgrade Greater Tokens to Regular Tokens). If Vcomms are going to be the "main" or a largely favored currency all this does is ease it for the time being. In a year, everyone who plays regularly is going to be back on the same boat, that there are so many stacks, not enough space.

This should be a easy implementation now. We need to get away from "We'll adjust it later". It's a half-assed way to do things, and as the past 7 years have shown, later is when they do another system revamp as the are always "more pressing issues"..

TL;DR: As I said, it's a band-aid fix for now, but long term it probably won't solve much if anything. If you disagree, I guess we'll just have to wait a year and see where we are at. History is on my side tho.

[Loromir]

Price is still too high. Drop it to 32.

Potions are still useless.

Add CoV to Saga rewards.

Amazing...they tried to and people stood on a bridge.

[Drwaz99]

Amazing...they tried to and people stood on a bridge.

Nice try to spin it. People stood on the bridge when Sagas were the only way to acquire them, not an additional way.

Totally different.

[Kaytis]

I started playing in early 2010. Orien routinely had 4 to 6 instances of the market place at that time.

Last night, for the first time since I started playing, I stepped in to the *only* instance of the market place.

Stop making the game play so objectionable with poorly thought out decisions. You want more people playing right now, not less. Lower the cost of TR or eliminate it. Artificial and arbitrary barriers to advancement will drive even more people off.

TR was a brilliantly conceived system that kept people in the game and the LFMs full. Bravery bonus drove a stake in to the game's heart, and 4200 coms and 6000000 karma are going to cut its head off.

[jakeelala]

I started playing in early 2010. Orien routinely had 4 to 6 instances of the market place at that time.

Last night, for the first time since I started playing, I stepped in to the *only* instance of the market place.

Stop making the game play so objectionable with poorly thought out decisions. You want more people playing right now, not less. Lower the cost of TR or eliminate it. Artificial and arbitrary barriers to advancement will drive even more people off.

TR was a brilliantly conceived system that kept people in the game and the LFMs full. Bravery bonus drove a stake in to the game's heart, and 4200 coms and 6000000 karma are going to cut its head off.

See my earlier post about people leaving game, squeezing a dying revenue model for last minute cash, and circling the drain.

[Dendrix]

My Loot gems don't appear to be increasing the numbers of Commendations of Valor I get from end rewards, but they do increase the loot leel.

Can you change it so that I get more CoV from end rewards with a loot gem up.
A +1 loot gem should increase the effective quest level by 1 for CoV rewards
A +2 loot gem should increase the effective quest level by 2 for CoV rewards

[Shorlong]

Wait wait wait wait. People are complaining about this still? I now have around 1,000 comms since last week, and I really haven't been trying. I've even taken a few other end rewards that weren't comms and I am doing just fine. People want it to be as easy as acquiring a Heroic heart...so they can rush to finish and have all EPL before the year is up...so that they can....do what exactly?

The number is fine where it is.

And as for the people complaining about the Karma cost....it takes 6.6 million to get to level cap...seems pretty easy to me to get your karma......Just level back up to cap and boom...you have your Karma.