Commendations of Valor Update

[Silverleafeon]

How dare any one complain about things being to expensive.

On a more serious note, Fawngate is about to acquire her 4th epic past life.
Colors of the Queen x3, trying to decided what next, and taking level 28.

She has in her ingredients bag exactly 2116 commendations of valor.

She has used xp pots as times, she has epic greater tome of learning, she has used the epic Otto's boxes.
She was at level cap, and expected to gain an epic heart every other life, which is simply not happening.

[Systern]

Man . . . 15% double-strike is huge. it'd incentive more TRing . . . can't say I think it's not a bit much though.

Isn't the max doublestrike at the moment around 41% on a druid? Raising that to 56% still won't make a druid more powerful than a THF or TWF character.


Also, I think it's amusing that the purpose for Doublestrike's introduction was to balance S&B and THF versus the power of TWF at the time... Now Doublestrike is more advantageous to THF and TWF, and S&B is still horribly left behind.

[Ninety]

2500 commendation of valor or 25 seeds would be a lot better.

[Portalcat]

The man says that they've identified two problems that they can solve quickly (read: easily and without breaking any of the design goals), and he posts a solution that does just that.

Take a win where you can get it. This is a good solution that solves a needless problem given the design of the system. For the love of all things good, not everything is a money grab and if anyone is seriously complaining about a single bag slot as if that's a real sacrifice, then that's fairly good evidence that a substantive complaint isn't available to be made.


It's been said here and elsewhere that the other issues are being monitored. The system is less than 2 weeks old and major changes will ripple through DDO for years; I'd certainly be conservative in their shoes and want to have more data on hand before dramatically changing it.

I would argue that the biggest problem right now is a relative dearth of epic content, especially on the high end. This is also a solvable problem while keeping the existing numbers, but one which will get solved over time. Move up epic versions of Eberron content in your priority queue. Heck, just telling us that this is in the works and that we can expect such in some of the next few major updates and patches would alleviate a fair amount of the griping.

[Silverleafeon]

I'm surprised that raids don't grant larger amounts of commendations of valor.
Having Sagas offer them as a reward might be a good option as well.

I do appreciate the fact that this change of adding the seeds was requested awhile back by players and the Devs listened.
Not much point in putting Seeds in the DDO store since hearts are there already, that amused me.

Thank you for continuing to consider more changes to the system.

[Pooklebunny]

Turbine's making progress though. The players are abandoning the system before the devs do. That's a first.

This. It's total rubbish. Levelling from 20-28 entirely in an off-destiny in order to get the karma to pick up a past life for that sphere is mind-numbingly stupid; the devs created them with a view to most of them being universally useful to any character (although not equally so) and then basically mandated a route to acquiring them which means you have to, essentially, not play that character as that character for much of the time. Bravo.

Frankly, I couldn't give a **** how much karma it takes to Epic TR - hell, make it 12 million for all I care - so long as I can earn it in a useful destiny.

[Pooklebunny]

I balance it out.

You balance nothing, you hear me? Nothing! You've already volunteered to sell your birthright for a mess of pottage in this thread once already. We can't rely on you any more :'(

[moomooprincess]

Whatever happened to Keep it Simple, S?

A good way to drive away players is to make it over complicated.

[gk_zone]

Oh dear, what will they do after selling Seeds in the DDO store, maybe actually sell Hearts in the DDO store too?Do0o0o0o0o0o0om!"A terrible curse is upon us all..."**(DDO intro movie)

I didn't say that selling seeds in the store was a necessarily a bad thing. I don't care if they sell seeds in the store. What I do care about is introducing them (potentially) to assuage players complaining about the 4200 comms required in the current system.

[EllisDee37]

Great fix to one of the three main issues with the valor system. Well done.

Hearts still cost too much valor/seeds and the amount of karma needed is also too high, both by pretty significant percentages.

What I'd like to see is the comm cost for a heart based on an even split of all epic quests. For the purposes of this calculation, assign each quest's xp value as double the base xp. (20% daily playthough +10% persistance +10% flawless +15% ransack +25% conquest = 180% * (5% voice + 5% ship + 5% cannith pots) = 207%, close enough to 200%.)

Once you have every quest's modified base value, add them all together in one lump sum. This is the xp you get for running every quest once. Let's say it ends up being 2 million xp. That means you'd need to run every quest 3 times to hit 28. If those were the numbers, an epic heart should cost however many comms you'd get running every quest on EH 3 times. If you want to base it on 10 million xp instead of 6 million in preparation for the cap going to 30, fine.

My main point is that the current balancing appears to be heavily weighted toward high level content, when there's no particular incentive to run high level content for xp. A level 25 can run pretty much any epic quest level without penalty and bank up to level 27 while doing it. I'd like to see it changed to weight all epic quests evenly.

Of course it's set up to get players to pay for them. Getting players to pay for stuff is the whole reason they developed the game. Try being happy that the store isn't the only source and 25TP/100 favor being the only way to avoid paying for the option.

But as was pointed out in another thread, TRing shouldn't be a profit center. TRing should be a player retention tool. Trying to squeeze money out of the TR system is dangerous to the health of the game by reducing its effectiveness in retaining players.

That is a very real and meaningful reason why tring for free via minimal grind is something the devs should consider.

EDIT: Here's a link to that thread.

[rest]

Isn't the max doublestrike at the moment around 41% on a druid? Raising that to 56% still won't make a druid more powerful than a THF or TWF character.


Also, I think it's amusing that the purpose for Doublestrike's introduction was to balance S&B and THF versus the power of TWF at the time... Now Doublestrike is more advantageous to THF and TWF, and S&B is still horribly left behind.

38%. No druid levels.



20% more if I can keep the killer buff active and fully stacked (usually only 5% though)

So I guess I could conceivably hit 78% for 20 seconds if I had a full stack of killer and was part druid. 87% if I felt 18 million xp was worth 9% more. I'd love 15% more from heroic past lives

[Ivan_Milic]

I have a question.
Are epl feats available at heroic lvls, meaning if you get that doublestrike active feat, can you use it below lvl 20?

[Jasparion]

The man says that they've identified two problems that they can solve quickly (read: easily and without breaking any of the design goals), and he posts a solution that does just that.

It didnt fix anything that couldnt have been fixed by simply reducing the cost to 2500 comms.

I dare say all the extra man-hours being invested in making the changes massively outweigh the work required to change "4200" to "2500".

They are still focussed on us buying an epic heart every 2nd time we TR. They are not at all interested in us being able to earn them every life.

[dragon2fire]

It didnt fix anything that couldnt have been fixed by simply reducing the cost to 2500 comms.

I dare say all the extra man-hours being invested in making the changes massively outweigh the work required to change "4200" to "2500".

They are still focussed on us buying an epic heart every 2nd time we TR. They are not at all interested in us being able to earn them every life.

This

[SilkofDrasnia]

It didnt fix anything that couldnt have been fixed by simply reducing the cost to 2500 comms.

I dare say all the extra man-hours being invested in making the changes massively outweigh the work required to change "4200" to "2500".

They are still focussed on us buying an epic heart every 2nd time we TR. They are not at all interested in us being able to earn them every life.

Pretty much like you say they could have fixed this easily by changing a few numbers and letters, 4200 to 2500 and BTC to BTA but alas they don't really wan't people earning Hearts this way they want us to buy them.

TBH I am surprised they haven't pulled this BS sooner.


LoL notice how this "fix" will also cause us to need to find room for yet another junk item in our bags!

[Silverleafeon]

I didn't say that selling seeds in the store was a necessarily a bad thing. I don't care if they sell seeds in the store. What I do care about is introducing them (potentially) to assuage players complaining about the 4200 comms required in the current system.

I can understand that.

Fawngate is now well on her way to her 5th epic past life, yet only halfway to earning her first free epic heart.

I wonder if sometime in the future we will see something like, ___ (insert large number) coms of valor to upgrade ___ (insert item) to level 30?
Should I hoard them?

[Jasparion]

Pretty much like you say they could have fixed this easily by changing a few numbers and letters, 4200 to 2500 and BTC to BTA but alas they don't really wan't people earning Hearts this way they want us to buy them.

TBH I am surprised they haven't pulled this BS sooner.


LoL notice how this "fix" will also cause us to need to find room for yet another junk item in our bags!

I actually dont care if the comms are BTC or BTA. I'd be totally fine with earning the epic TR on the toon which ends up doing the epic TR.

I do care that it will take me 2 trips to 28 to be able to earn a single epic TR, meaning I have to end up buying an epic TR. But the thing is, I wont buy an epic TR. Ever. It simply will not happen.

I will either stay at 28 until I get bored and quit the game, or dump my Completionist toon and start again. But I dont plan on doing Completionist again.

[Teh_Troll]

You balance nothing, you hear me? Nothing! You've already volunteered to sell your birthright for a mess of pottage in this thread once already. We can't rely on you any more :'(

Hjeal meh.

[SilkofDrasnia]

I actually dont care if the comms are BTC or BTA. I'd be totally fine with earning the epic TR on the toon which ends up doing the epic TR.

I do care that it will take me 2 trips to 28 to be able to earn a single epic TR, meaning I have to end up buying an epic TR. But the thing is, I wont buy an epic TR. Ever. It simply will not happen.

I will either stay at 28 until I get bored and quit the game, or dump my Completionist toon and start again. But I dont plan on doing Completionist again.

You should care! If these thing were BTA instead of BTC you could still Keep ETRing that one char while keeping another at cap earning valcoms.

The big kick in the nuts is that high cost and BTC factor.

[Jasparion]

You should care! If these thing were BTA instead of BTC you could still Keep ETRing that one char while keeping another at cap earning valcoms.

Sure it would be nice, but its not vital. Raid gear is BTC, often named items are BTC. We earn those on the toons which end up using them. But the thing is, if you earned the bulk of your comms while levelling to 28 you dont really need that 2nd character.

Unless the goal is to use XP stones to jump to 28. But if that is the case, then buy the comms as well. Im just after a way for people to earn rewards in game in a reasonable manner (regardless of whether or not there is a store option for the cashed up/lazy).