Shurikens, pew pew!

[Ilindith]

I'm guessing OP took PBS @ lvl 1 and forgot to list it.

Yes! Thank you for noticing. I couldn't log to check and was wondering where I put it haha

I often forget to put the level 1 feat when transfering builds to text for some reason :/

[Ilindith]

Forgot to mention, results posted include using 10k stars whenever it is off timer.

[Firewall]

Forgot to mention, results posted include using 10k stars whenever it is off timer.

Not sure i can interpret and thus comment on what your script does. What does shots mean? Attacks? Shuriken damage hits? I can't say if maybe your script has an error or if maybe at your attribute split the curves of the attribute damage plots coincidentally are close to each other. I can just do the math and from there +2 DEX gives +1 damage and 4% extra shuriken over a 1 minute cycle while WIS doesn't give additional damage and has procs for only 50% of the cycle (i think the number was 2.5% base damage per +1 bonus in a thread i once read while DEX has 4% there). Maybe Doubleshot interferes with your numbers or the procs are buggy and not implemented on the life servers as advertised?
Have you done tests without 10k stars and checked if you would get the numbers you would expect from only the DEX procs?

Additionally it is worth to mention that DEX affects your reflex save, balance, hide, move silently, open lock, tumble and attack value too so you also get a big bonus there aside from pure damage.

[Ilindith]

Numbers are the number of hits you get over 60sec, nothing to do with damage.

[Ilindith]

LRed to test a DEX focused path. Will update build in a bit.

And the video to show new numbers.

[Ilindith]

New video uploaded.

[Firewall]

New video uploaded.

Can't remember the difference in numbers to your previous videos. Are you more satisfied or less considering your overall build?

[Zoda]

Hi!

I've been planning a shuriken build with my friends for a while, and I have a few questions:

Are you aware that you can use Arrow of Slaying with shurikens (and that it applies to all the shurikens you throw with the given attack)?

Do you think that abundant step is necessary? I love it on my monkcher and on my hybrid monk, but if you only take 6 monk levels a lot of additional dps possibilities are become availabel.

Are you aware that the halfling extra threat range is not working? (according to our testings, neither does the kensei or the ninja spy capstone bonuses are working on shurikens, when you examine the item, it displays the correct range, but it retains it's original values) Do you think that Human (hamp, 2d6 SA dmg, racial boost, wis/dex action surge) or Helf (hamp, dex/wis action surge, dmg boost, Arrow of Slaying) can be a better choice than halfling?

At the moment, my current build plan is 13 rog 6 monk 1 ranger for the massive extra sneak attack damage (and improved SA feat), but I haven't decided on the race yet, halfling, human and helf are all solid choices. If I was doing it on my main, I think halfling would be the choice, but I only have 3 ranger and 2 monk past lives on the toon and 0 pally, that I'm planning to tr into this, so I'm concerned about my healing amp.

Also I'd advise to raise your starting wisdom, I've been playing monk archer since u11, and in my experience, 10k stars really starts kicking around 42-44 wisdom.

Nice build, and thank you for posting the Sobrien videos, it looked great on paper, but I was hesitant to make it because ... because of shurikens lol.

[Ilindith]

Can't remember the difference in numbers to your previous videos. Are you more satisfied or less considering your overall build?

Previous one I could get at most 250, now I can get close to 280. And can't say yet, I had been running the build for month, just changed it yesterday and haven't done much with it.

Are you aware that you can use Arrow of Slaying with shurikens (and that it applies to all the shurikens you throw with the given attack)?
No, I did not know. But, I don't feel like using 32ap on a tree to use something every 20sec would be worth it.

Do you think that abundant step is necessary? I love it on my monkcher and on my hybrid monk, but if you only take 6 monk levels a lot of additional dps possibilities are become availabel.
I've always loved abundant step and the extra run speed/saves. But yes I most likely lose some SA damage by being more monk.

Are you aware that the halfling extra threat range is not working? (according to our testings, neither does the kensei or the ninja spy capstone bonuses are working on shurikens, when you examine the item, it displays the correct range, but it retains it's original values) Do you think that Human (hamp, 2d6 SA dmg, racial boost, wis/dex action surge) or Helf (hamp, dex/wis action surge, dmg boost, Arrow of Slaying) can be a better choice than halfling?
Halfling was the the lulz, nothing more. I know the threat range does not work, which is why I don't have it.

Also I'd advise to raise your starting wisdom, I've been playing monk archer since u11, and in my experience, 10k stars really starts kicking around 42-44 wisdom.
We went through the DEX/WIS debate on another forum. Results showed almost no difference between the first version of my build which favored WIS over the current version which favors DEX. Both would end up getting roughly the same number of extra shot over time. But DEX will give you more damage. Monkchers only get 10k stars, we get shuriken expertise and advanced ninja training.

Nice build, and thank you for posting the Sobrien videos, it looked great on paper, but I was hesitant to make it because ... because of shurikens lol.

Stuff in red.

[Darkrok]

Got to thinking about this build and wonder now if the second Toughness (the one taken in heroic levels) could be replaced by moving Precision to the monk feat there and Magical Training as another feat. Not positive but I think that would give 5% spell crit to all of the shiradi procs as well as cocoon, 80 more sp's to give a bit more sp's for cocoon, and echoes of power to ensure you can keep casting cocoon at least every 18 seconds. Seems a nice tradeoff for 31hp's.

[cdr]

Got to thinking about this build and wonder now if the second Toughness (the one taken in heroic levels) could be replaced by moving Precision to the monk feat there and Magical Training as another feat. Not positive but I think that would give 5% spell crit to all of the shiradi procs as well as cocoon, 80 more sp's to give a bit more sp's for cocoon, and echoes of power to ensure you can keep casting cocoon at least every 18 seconds. Seems a nice tradeoff for 31hp's.

Yes, the 5% crit works with shiradi procs. It's pretty nice.

[Firewall]

Yes, the 5% crit works with shiradi procs. It's pretty nice.

Did you actually test if this is indeed working with shuriken? I know that spellpower does not affect shuriken shiradi procs but it affects spell shiradi procs. I never tested the crits though since i assumed it would not work also.

[Ilindith]

Got to thinking about this build and wonder now if the second Toughness (the one taken in heroic levels) could be replaced by moving Precision to the monk feat there and Magical Training as another feat. Not positive but I think that would give 5% spell crit to all of the shiradi procs as well as cocoon, 80 more sp's to give a bit more sp's for cocoon, and echoes of power to ensure you can keep casting cocoon at least every 18 seconds. Seems a nice tradeoff for 31hp's.

Toughness is only a second one because being like 10hp under 800hp visually annoyed me. But yes it could be an alternative, though the 5% probably wouldn't be as useful as on a caster considering I have no crit damage bonuses.

I've never ran out of SP yet for coccoon either. So the SP bonus would not change a whole lot.

[cdr]

Toughness is only a second one because being like 10hp under 800hp visually annoyed me. But yes it could be an alternative, though the 5% probably wouldn't be as useful as on a caster considering I have no crit damage bonuses.

I've never ran out of SP yet for coccoon either. So the SP bonus would not change a whole lot.

There are effectively no spell crit damage bonuses in the U19 world (only T5 Archmage Arcane Supremacy) - everyone is locked at 2x. You do obviously lack the spellpower of an arcane, but more crits should be a decent boost.

[Darkrok]

Did you actually test if this is indeed working with shuriken? I know that spellpower does not affect shuriken shiradi procs but it affects spell shiradi procs. I never tested the crits though since i assumed it would not work also.

Darn, didn't know that spellpower didn't effect procs from thrown. That makes the shiradi procs for thrown quite a bit less powerful than on spells. Not that about 14 extra damage per shuriken is anything to sneeze at but it's definitely not as high as what you get on a geared out shiradi caster.

EDIT: My guess based on the spell power not working would be that the spell crits don't either. Not sure of an effective way to test this though...maybe use a caster toon that has spellpower/crits through the roof and start crit fishing with a thrown weapon - that way you've got a better chance at going over the max numbers for each proc.

[Firewall]

What are your pure physical damage numbers without temporary buffs (and without the monster being helpless and with them having some fortification aka red nameds)?

[Ilindith]

What are your pure physical damage numbers without temporary buffs (and without the monster being helpless and with them having some fortification aka red nameds)?

Was in the mid 60s I think, for the first number. TRed out of the build to get started on iconic past lives so I can't go out and confirm :/

[Firewall]

Was in the mid 60s I think, for the first number. TRed out of the build to get started on iconic past lives so I can't go out and confirm :/

Ok that's about the same i could reach on the Shuricannon with monk past lives and completionist. With my current character i'm at about 60 right now. Your build has the advantages of Tenser's and the damage boost and of course a bit more sneak attack damage in this case. Nice work.

[Ilindith]

Ok that's about the same i could reach on the Shuricannon with monk past lives and completionist. With my current character i'm at about 60 right now. Your build has the advantages of Tenser's and the damage boost and of course a bit more sneak attack damage in this case. Nice work.

Was mid 80s with Damage Boost/Ram's/Tenser.