Utility Build -- Thrower/SLA user

[nsheorey]

Hi all,

I've been through a bunch of lives on my main toon with pretty standard builds. I've been aching to try something novel for a while now, though - a flavor build. I know throwing weapons are pretty terrible, but I wanted to make a character that could use them, along side some empowered/max'd SLAs as their main source of damage. Because I know that there's no way any build with that damage base could be a particularly effective damage dealer, I also want to be something of a utility build - trapping and UMD abilities would be nice. In terms of lore/flavor, the idea is a poison/acid based deepwood stalker kind of guy. Throwing weapon (Nightforge Spike? Epic Noxious Fang? Spelltouched throwing weapons from Eveningstar challenges?) in one hand, some sort of magical implement, or potentially rune arm, in the other. I have 3 arti past lives, 1 cleric past life, and +5 tomes for every ability. Below are two variations of the build I came up with. Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

2ART/9RNG/9SOR:

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Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(9 Ranger \ 9 Sorcerer \ 2 Artificer) 
Hit Points: 235
Spell Points: 970 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 21
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                    13
Dexterity            18                    30
Constitution         14                    19
Intelligence         14                    19
Wisdom               10                    15
Charisma             16                    21

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    10
Bluff                 3                     8
Concentration         2                     7
Diplomacy             3                     8
Disable Device        n/a                  n/a
Haggle                3                     5
Heal                  0                     7
Hide                  4                    20
Intimidate            3                     5
Jump                 -1                     3
Listen                0                     4
Move Silently         4                    18
Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     7
Search                2                     7
Spellcraft            2                     4
Spot                  0                     2
Swim                 -1                     1
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Artificer)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Healing


Level 13 (Sorcerer)


Level 14 (Sorcerer)


Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons


Level 16 (Sorcerer)


Level 17 (Sorcerer)


Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 19 (Sorcerer)


Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Jorasco Dragonmark Focus (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Jorasco Dragonmark Focus (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Halfling - Jorasco Dragonmark Focus (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Halfling - Stealthy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Stealthy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Halfling - Stealthy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Halfling - Cunning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Cunning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Halfling - Cunning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Halfling - Lesser Dragonmark of Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Guile (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Greater Dragonmark of Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Skillful Thrower (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Guile (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Guile (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sniper Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Stealthy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Stealthy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Stealthy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Faster Sneaking (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Faster Sneaking (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Empathic Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Empathic Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Heavy Draw (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Earth Savant (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Earth Affinity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Greater Earth Affinity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Spray (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Spray (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Spray (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Spell Critical: Acid I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Erosion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Erosion (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Erosion (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Spell Critical: Acid II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Devouring Earth (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Devouring Earth (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Devouring Earth (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Spell Critical: Acid III (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Arrow (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Arrow (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Arrow (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Spell Critical: Acid IV (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Battle Engineer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Field Engineer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Field Engineer (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Field Engineer (Rank 3)

4ROG/6RNG/10SOR:

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Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(4 Rogue \ 6 Ranger \ 10 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 232
Spell Points: 880 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 24
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                    13
Dexterity            18                    30
Constitution         14                    19
Intelligence         14                    19
Wisdom               10                    15
Charisma             16                    21

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    10
Bluff                 3                     8
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy             3                     8
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                3                     5
Heal                  0                     7
Hide                  4                    23
Intimidate            3                     5
Jump                 -1                     3
Listen                0                     4
Move Silently         4                    21
Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     7
Search                2                     7
Spellcraft            2                     4
Spot                  0                     2
Swim                 -1                     1
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 10 (Sorcerer)


Level 11 (Sorcerer)


Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Healing


Level 13 (Sorcerer)


Level 14 (Sorcerer)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Sorcerer)


Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 19 (Sorcerer)


Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Halfling - Halfling Luck (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Jorasco Dragonmark Focus (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Jorasco Dragonmark Focus (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Halfling - Jorasco Dragonmark Focus (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Halfling - Stealthy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Stealthy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Halfling - Stealthy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Halfling - Cunning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Cunning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Halfling - Cunning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Halfling - Lesser Dragonmark of Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Guile (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Greater Dragonmark of Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Skillful Thrower (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Guile (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Halfling - Guile (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sniper Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Stealthy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Stealthy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Stealthy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Faster Sneaking (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Faster Sneaking (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Empathic Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Empathic Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Heavy Draw (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Earth Savant (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Earth Affinity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Greater Earth Affinity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Spray (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Spray (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Spray (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Spell Critical: Acid I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Erosion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Erosion (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Erosion (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Spell Critical: Acid II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Devouring Earth (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Devouring Earth (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Devouring Earth (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Spell Critical: Acid III (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Arrow (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Arrow (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Earth Savant (Sor) - Acid Arrow (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Stealthy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Stealthy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Stealthy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)

Skill points for both variations would go into hide/move silently, search, disable, open locks, and UMD.

Thanks for your ideas!

[Firewall]

First of all: Throwing Weapons are absolutely viable with the right build! Check the pure monk build in my signature for an EE viable pure thrower.

If you want UMD, trapskills and SLA's though you clearly need a different build. I think with your builds you are spreading too thin. To have a thrower that is fun and viable you need to take all the feats that buff throwing weapon damage and speed (which are quite a lot) and to have good SLA's you need at least Maximize, Quicken and Empower and you will have too few SP to last long with other spells and after some buffs. Also by far the best throwers need at least 3 levels of monk (Ninja Spy II), shuriken expertise and use shuriken and a high DEX.

Perhaps i would go for something with Artie/Rogue/Wizard or Monk/Rogue/Wizard since those will have the best Synergies with INT and DEX and take the Archmage Tree for Force SLA's and try the Shiradi route in Epics which is good for both throwers and Force SLA's.

To be honest though i think you will either use your SLA's or your throwing weapons in endgame so i would focus on one of those.