Purple Dragon Eldritch Knight Sorcerer

[Failedlegend]

You're forcing your opinion down everyone's throat by saying that everyone has to play your type of build, which won't be able to contribute meaningfully in end game EE content. Some people like to have stronger builds....

Telling someone that you think their build needs work and then listing useful advice IS constructive criticism. And IW said "you guys" which includes you....

I never said building for EE is wrong what I said is people have alot of different playstyles such as Permadeath and in the OPs cause he could seem to care less about EE so what YOU prefer is irrelevant what the OP wants is what matters...personally I'd never make a S&B Sorc they just don't have the feat room for it but the OP wanted that so I was trying to help.

You keep telling people their wrong, I give suggestions...there's a difference. Now please go make your own EE EK thread and leave us alone.

[HungarianRhapsody]

/subscribing to this thread to see the continued Snootch-esque build advice.

[katz]

Ok we Mew we get it, YOU don't like this kind of build clearly the OP (and many others) do otherwise the devs never would have added EK so please stop posting unless you have anything helpful to say.

Anyways to the OP whilst I LOVE multi-classing (I'm serious even if a capstone or other lvl 20 ability is vastly superior I love making it into some abomination that doesn't quite reach the single class build but is close and more versatile) unfortunately we don't have alot of the feats from PnP that help this and unfortunately spellcasters are hit the hardest so I wouldn't drop more than a few levels for multi-classing...personally I'd go Sorc18/Paladin2 if your willing to spend $ on the LR+1 or if this is a TR build...otherwise Sorc17/PDK1/Pally2 is your best bet...with the shield deflection feat (from PDK) and your inevitably massive saves evasion is less important.

Now I would go Cha/Con Based with a side of Dex...PA/C/GC/OC is nice but you really don't have the feat room for it.

Here's what I'd go with

Lawful-Good PDK Sorc18/Pally2 (EK/Earth Savant)

Dex 12
Con 16
Int 10 (+2 int tome for more points in balance)
Cha 18 (Lvl ups here)

34pt build:Int 12 36pt:Int 12/Dex14

Skills: UMD,Concen, Balance

Feats

PDK Shield Mastery
1 Maximize
2 Empower
3 IC:Slashing (or IC:Pierce if you prefer Shortswords)
4 ISM
5 ISB
6 Combat Expertise
7 SF: UMD (or PL:Wiz if avail)
ED Draconic Incarnation
21 Bulwark of Defense
24 Great Charisma
26 Epic Mage Armor or Guardian Angel
27 Epic Reflexes or Ruin
28 Hellball


Couple points about feats I didn't add:

- Quicken: It's nice to have but far less useful to a fleshy caster if you learn how to jump cast you'll rarely have issues with spellcasting midbattle.

- THF Line+Bastard Sword: The DPS you get from this line is so miniscule I'd only take it if it was a single feat that scaled with character level let alone wasting a 4th feat of weapon prof being limited to bastard swords as your primary weapon would not be good either (although if your forced to go 17/2/1 you can use that fighter lvl to get B-Sword prof so you can use all 3 1-handed PDK weapons)

- PA/C/GC/OC is nice but you really don't have the feat room for it let alone it being a massive waste of build points

- Dodge/Mobility/Spring Attack/Whirlwind: Not enough feat space otherwise this would be awesome.

erm. what exactly would be the purpose of this build... looks like you're trying to do 2-3 things at once, and doing a half-arsed job of all of them

[Failedlegend]

erm. what exactly would be the purpose of this build... looks like you're trying to do 2-3 things at once, and doing a half-arsed job of all of them

Funny how the creator of Tukaw was worshipped for creating an off-the-wall but awesome build and even my Wakut got some decent praise but lately anything that doesn't conform to certain parameters must be ridiculed...and people wonder why no plays outside of static groups anymore.

[HungarianRhapsody]

Funny how the creator of Tukaw was worshipped for creating an off-the-wall but awesome build and even my Wakut got some decent praise but lately anything that doesn't conform to certain parameters must be ridiculed...and people wonder why no plays outside of static groups anymore.

Off the wall builds that do well get praise. Anyone can create an off the wall build that is terrible.

[LOOON375]

but lately anything that doesn't conform to certain parameters must be ridiculed... .

Much longer than just "lately". It just seems to be more pronounced as of late.

[Failedlegend]

Much longer than just "lately". It just seems to be more pronounced as of late.

Couldn't have said it better myself

[AtomicMew]

I never said building for EE is wrong what I said is people have alot of different playstyles such as Permadeath and in the OPs cause he could seem to care less about EE so what YOU prefer is irrelevant what the OP wants is what matters...personally I'd never make a S&B Sorc they just don't have the feat room for it but the OP wanted that so I was trying to help.

You keep telling people their wrong, I give suggestions...there's a difference. Now please go make your own EE EK thread and leave us alone.

Do you honestly think that the OP is trying to make a mediocre build? (Who does that honestly...)? No, players in general try to build the best possible build within certain constraints. The build you posted was NOT good advice, even if you wanted to build under the original constraints of a casting/melee hybrid.

Also, I don't appreciate your tone, the mod said to agree to disagree. That doesn't include telling people to **** off like you just tried to do.

[katz]

Funny how the creator of Tukaw was worshipped for creating an off-the-wall but awesome build and even my Wakut got some decent praise but lately anything that doesn't conform to certain parameters must be ridiculed...and people wonder why no plays outside of static groups anymore.

i wasn't mocking you... yet. i was honestly wondering what the purpose of the build is. i'm all for crazy off the wall ****. heck, i made a bard TANK (among other things)

[Failedlegend]

i wasn't mocking you... yet. i was honestly wondering what the purpose of the build is. I'm all for crazy off the wall ****. heck, i made a bard TANK (among other things)

A lightly splashed full spellcaster (hence PDK) with melee capability and wicked survivability.

Personally I'm thinking on either an Elven Wiz12/Ranger6/Rogue2 Dex/Int TWF build or a PDK Sorc18/Pally2 Cha/Con THF build neither which I plan to use EK much if at all, it really is atrocious

[Pala-forged]

A lightly splashed full spellcaster (hence PDK) with melee capability and wicked survivability.

Personally I'm thinking on either an Elven Wiz12/Ranger6/Rogue2 Dex/Int TWF build or a PDK Sorc18/Pally2 Cha/Con THF build neither which I plan to use EK much if at all, it really is atrocious

Hardly.. 8 ap for 4% doublestrike isn't terrible. 11 ap for 4% doublestrike and 75% wand/scroll power. 1 ap for 1% doublestrike is an option. It has uses... just not enough.

[katz]

A lightly splashed full spellcaster (hence PDK) with melee capability and wicked survivability

questions:

i get part of the survivability thing... great saves from the charisma and the paladin splash... but you have 2 feats that, when i look at them, they don't really make sense. CE and bulwark. even stacking all those things together, you'd get negligible benefit from the AC it would give you... you get more benefit from displacement/ghostly/dodge/concealment... and you'd take a penalty to your spellcasting to boot. seems to me more like it's biting you in the arse than giving you a benefit. great charisma is kinda meh too. a whole feat for 1 stat point? really? personally, i wouldn't do that on a feat starved class.

personally... i'd probably keep it almost the same, but swap out CE, bulwark, and great charisma, swap in PA/cleave/great cleave, and go to town with a greatsword. great melee damage. great spell damage. great survivability... very little sacrifice to get any of it.

but that's just me.

[Failedlegend]

questions:

i get part of the survivability thing... great saves from the charisma and the paladin splash... but you have 2 feats that, when i look at them, they don't really make sense. CE and bulwark. even stacking all those things together, you'd get negligible benefit from the AC it would give you... you get more benefit from displacement/ghostly/dodge/concealment... and you'd take a penalty to your spellcasting to boot. seems to me more like it's biting you in the arse than giving you a benefit. great charisma is kinda meh too. a whole feat for 1 stat point? really? personally, i wouldn't do that on a feat starved class.

personally... i'd probably keep it almost the same, but swap out CE, bulwark, and great charisma, swap in PA/cleave/great cleave, and go to town with a greatsword. great melee damage. great spell damage. great survivability... very little sacrifice to get any of it.

but that's just me.

Honestly I suck at choosing Epic feats their just wait to limited in my opinion...rogues, monks, archers, bards all have great option but unless you have MT+IMT or SF+GSF there's not really anything there for casters...speaking of which has anyone checked to see if Epic Mage Armor procs the improved mage armor ability.

As for CE+Bulwark though I admittedly wouldn't normally take it on a Sorc (as I said their far too feat starved for S&B) but the OP wanted to see both a S&B and a THF build and I finished the S&B first which if your going S&B you may as well try to be as survivable as possible otherwise S&B is kind of pointless and after that I never got around to finishing the THF one (although i am working on it now that my wiz is going to be TRing soon)

As for adding in PA/C/GC I do plan to do that on my THF PDK Sorc since i can easily pick it up with 10 str+3 tome (already on my character) as he has 2 build points left after maxing Cha/Con at 18 so its not so bad it (a first lifer would be 11 Str, Con17/Cha18) its just S&B is too spread out ...the alternatives are either a TWF Elven or ML Wizard (Dex to damage+Finesse) or some weird Fire/Force Sorc/Monk build but those are still in planning so may not work at all.

So what I'm saying is that I mostly agree with you its Atomic Mew's insistent that hybrids are not possible and that Str is the only way and that I'm right and everyone else is wrong...your fine

Hardly.. 8 ap for 4% doublestrike isn't terrible. 11 ap for 4% doublestrike and 75% wand/scroll power. 1 ap for 1% doublestrike is an option. It has uses... just not enough.

Oh that I agree with it has plenty of cherry pickable things but the tree itself is useless especially since its impossible for a single-class Sorc or Wiz to get GTWF or GTHF. Even if EK wasn't a waste of AP that would be a HUGE deterrent...it would require the first two feats of the line of course.

Here's hoping their still planning on adding Wild Mage....maybe they'll add some stuff from Rage mage to it that would give them a 2nd chance to not screw it up because their "response" to feedback for EK was extremely underwhelming.

Thats not just a random cramming together though...imo those two prestiges fit together perfectly as far as theme goes...Wild Mages "chaotic outcomes" just fits in my opinion...sure you can cast whilst raging you face off but occasionally you could either overdo it and make your little fireball do a bigger boom (good outcome) or mess up your spell and turn yourself into a barrel for 30 seconds (bad outcome...bad outcomes should only effect yourself not party members because hurting allies means no one wants to play with you)

Alternatively if the devs are against that I'd like to see it have its own custom "combat line"...something like Eldritch Combatant, IEC and GEC or w/e...again merge the spellsword core and add those 3 into core 6,12 and 18 or make the "Battlemage" enhancement in the tree into a line if they'd prefer to use the core for something like the light6 -> medium12 -> heavy armor18 (it doesnt suit the lore of EK nor Spellsword but removing this abilty would probably cause forum rage :P)

The EK line would be a multi-selector that could be taken instead of Shield Prof/Shield Striking/Elemental Resistance (those all require a shield to function) or replacing the 6,12 and 18 cores with Heavy armor is core 18 or 20 as well. This would require an orb in the off-hand to function (limiting it to 1-handed weapons)

Something like this

EC: When fighting with an orb in your off-hand, you gain 1 temporary spell point and +1 universal spellpower on-hit, 3 temporary SP and USP on crit, and 5 temporary SP and USP on vorpal for X seconds <insert standard language for disappearing stacks here>.
IEC: Any 1-handed weapon gains +1 to Crit range and your touch/ranged touch spells no longer have a level cap.
GEC: Orbs Boni to Saves and Energy Resist no longer requires you to be actively blocking (blocking doubles the effect instead)

My other complaints and a full write-up of what I think would be a much better (suggestions welcome) EK tree can be found here (big post...don't want to derail the OP build thread)

Anyways once I finish the THF Sorc I'll post it here if the OP still wishes.