Brilliant Reincarnation System

[ufo2013]

The new system is brilliant - this is how the devs expect/want you to play the game:

0) A non-iconic character levels to 20 and TR back to level 1 (existing system untouched, but players will eventually get a sense of "wastage" because doing iconic will grant both iconic AND heroic past life so maybe they want to consider doing iconic instead).

1) A non-iconic character levels to 28 and performs Epic Reincarnation, getting an Epic Past Life and goes back to level 20.

2) After Epic Reincarnation, the journey back to 28 is going to be dreadful - quest completions are not reset so no first time bonus means you get less xp, and hitting ransack faster means getting comms slower, favor not reset so no TP earned, etc. So what do you do? Smart thing will be to do a TR immediately. If TR into non-iconic, back to #0 or #1 above.

3) If you choose to TR into iconic, you then go from lvl 15 to 28. At this point, no, as an iconic you do not want to ETR (because after ETR you go back to level 20 and the journey back to cap is going to be dreadful see #2 above). So you do Iconic TR and you will get both iconic past life and heroic past life.

4) When you do Iconic TR, you decide whether next life you want to ETR or TR again. If ETR you choose a non-iconic life (going from level 1 to 28, back to #1 above). Otherwise you choose iconic again (#3). Seriously, if you are iconic and you ETR, you are trapped - you go back to level 20 with a dreadful journey back to level 28, so it is probably not wise to ETR as iconic.

So, there you go, a brilliant system that covers all grounds, no short-circuiting anymore - players play from level 1 to 28 depending on their goals. If you want to stay epic and ETR repeatedly, the grind is going to be horrible (see #2 above), so you will be better off rotating all 3 kinds of reincarnation.

Yeah, glin is that good.

[ghostegg]

I have two simple doubts.
1. the completionist system remains the same ? a 1st life rogue, then lifes for other classes, and last one again rogue, to get all rewards (?) and bonus (?) ?
2. the xp for epic destines are remains between lifes?

[Vargouille]

I have two simple doubts.
1. the completionist system remains the same ? a 1st life rogue, then lifes for other classes, and last one again rogue, to get all rewards (?) and bonus (?) ?
2. the xp for epic destines are remains between lifes?

Heroic Completionist is unchanged.

You don't lose Epic Destiny XP for any kind of Reincarnation.

[zwiebelring]

So, there you go, a brilliant system that covers all grounds, no short-circuiting anymore - players play from level 1 to 28 depending on their goals. If you want to stay epic and ETR repeatedly, the grind is going to be horrible (see #2 above), so you will be better off rotating all 3 kinds of reincarnation.

Wrong. Not covering all grounds. Staying epic for ETR + horrible grind attached? Wow, yeah, Glin is brilliant, he needs no sun, because he basks in the reflection of himself....NOT.

I hate heroic TR and I hate rotating TRs for irst time bonuses. That new system is nothing I call brilliant. It is the exact opposite of my playstyle. But fair enough, ETR was announced as something, which is not (and should not be) for all. But for me it is plain bad design.

[IronClan]

Wrong. Not covering all grounds. Staying epic for ETR + horrible grind attached? Wow, yeah, Glin is brilliant, he needs no sun, because he basks in the reflection of himself....NOT.

I hate heroic TR and I hate rotating TRs for irst time bonuses. That new system is nothing I call brilliant. It is the exact opposite of my playstyle. But fair enough, ETR was announced as something, which is not (and should not be) for all. But for me it is plain bad design.

I wouldn't call it bad design at all, it's a character refinement progress system that is for the most part uneeded (a first life character is viable at all levels in all content, I know most of my characters have never TR'ed) it's not something I enjoy myself, but it has managed to keep a fair number of players playing the game despite the fact that there's no end game and content past 20-ish is very narrow non epic and perhaps the least interesting and most linear hack and slash in the game.

Epic in D&D is progressing from owning castles, and armies to challenging Demi-gods and roaming the planes of existence, even ascendance to demi-god hood/lichdom/imortality etc...

In DDO epic is 30,000 hit point Hobgoblins and Kobolds.

It's no wonder that 1-20 TR is so popular, VON5-6, Necropolis, Gianthold, Shroud etc. are far more Epic feeling than most of the recent content.

[Chette]

In DDO epic is 30,000 hit point Hobgoblins and Kobolds.

It's no wonder that 1-20 TR is so popular, VON5-6, Necropolis, Gianthold, Shroud etc. are far more Epic feeling than most of the recent content.

You've really hit the nail on the head here I think.

Heroic TR wasn't popular because people LOVE grinding out nearly negligible improvements to their character (a few caster past lives excluded). Heroic TR was popular because it was fun. People people enjoy the chance to re-invent their character, and because there's a lot of really fun content from 1-20. Content that we don't get to play anymore once we reach epic levels.

On the other hand, epic TR doesn't change your character. There's no reinvention. It's just the same old character, but without all their gear and missing a few feats. There's no new content either. You jump back in and run the same old boring content you've been running to death for the past year. Lather, rinse repeat. That's not fun for anybody.

[Seikojin]

So, you can't speed your way from 20-28/30 with epic reincarnation. Meh. The wheel wills as the wheel turns.

I don't recall not getting first time as being a hampering ability in epics. Plenty of exp to go around it seems.

[JOTMON]

Heroic Completionist is unchanged.

You don't lose Epic Destiny XP for any kind of Reincarnation.

my Epic reincarnation experience tells a different story.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...63#post5168263

Lost my favor, lost my epic destinies, lost my 50%xp pot lost my +5 tomes.
Stuck with a useless toon while waiting for investigation to which I have had no followup response to.

[bloodnose13]

ill say only one thing about this system, the only thing that i dont like about it is the fact that to do a FULL TR from epic cap (epic tr+heroic tr) we have to do some weird stuff, i dont belive it changed but when i done it on lammania it was, first epic tr, then RELEVEL character from 1 to 20 JUST to do heroic tr to get back to 1................................................. ...........

im pretty sure there MAY be a big % of ppl that will want to tr in this way, maybe it would call for modification of EPIC tr UI to allow imput of second heroic heart along with epic for full tr?

[Skavenaps]

The new system is brilliant - this is how the devs expect/want you to play the game:

0) A non-iconic character levels to 20 and TR back to level 1 (existing system untouched, but players will eventually get a sense of "wastage" because doing iconic will grant both iconic AND heroic past life so maybe they want to consider doing iconic instead).

1) A non-iconic character levels to 28 and performs Epic Reincarnation, getting an Epic Past Life and goes back to level 20.

2) After Epic Reincarnation, the journey back to 28 is going to be dreadful - quest completions are not reset so no first time bonus means you get less xp, and hitting ransack faster means getting comms slower, favor not reset so no TP earned, etc. So what do you do? Smart thing will be to do a TR immediately. If TR into non-iconic, back to #0 or #1 above.

3) If you choose to TR into iconic, you then go from lvl 15 to 28. At this point, no, as an iconic you do not want to ETR (because after ETR you go back to level 20 and the journey back to cap is going to be dreadful see #2 above). So you do Iconic TR and you will get both iconic past life and heroic past life.

4) When you do Iconic TR, you decide whether next life you want to ETR or TR again. If ETR you choose a non-iconic life (going from level 1 to 28, back to #1 above). Otherwise you choose iconic again (#3). Seriously, if you are iconic and you ETR, you are trapped - you go back to level 20 with a dreadful journey back to level 28, so it is probably not wise to ETR as iconic.

So, there you go, a brilliant system that covers all grounds, no short-circuiting anymore - players play from level 1 to 28 depending on their goals. If you want to stay epic and ETR repeatedly, the grind is going to be horrible (see #2 above), so you will be better off rotating all 3 kinds of reincarnation.

Yeah, glin is that good.

+1 Amazing Job Turbine! u20 its great!

[Chette]

2) After Epic Reincarnation, the journey back to 28 is going to be dreadful - quest completions are not reset so no first time bonus means you get less xp, and hitting ransack faster means getting comms slower, favor not reset so no TP earned, etc. So what do you do? Smart thing will be to do a TR immediately. If TR into non-iconic, back to #0 or #1 above.

You don't want to run impossible demands for 10 hours straight? You must not be very dedicated. DDO is only for real dedicated players bro.

[Thrudh]

the journey back to 28 is going to be dreadful - quest completions are not reset so no first time bonus means you get less xp

If you want to stay epic and ETR repeatedly, the grind is going to be horrible

Playing the game is not "grind".

[zwiebelring]

Playing the game is not "grind".

The goals define grind or playing the game. The goal of ETR means grind means NOT playing the game. Do whatever you want, the carrots, which hang in front of our noses have a distinct purpose and that is NOT playing the game casually for epic past lives. Play without goals or things you might want to have (but that is impossible at some point of game experience) and you won't be disappointed. But that is like expecting the worst so you won't be disappointed.