Fast Healing is NOT fast

[Targal]

There's two versions of Fast Healing, but They're same which triggers every a min.

Fast Healing(Epic Destiny): You heal [2/4/6]d20 HP each minute using positive energy.
Fast Healing(Epic TR): You heal "5 plus 5 per 5 character level" HP each minute. This stacks up 3 times.

I can't understand why devs set the cycle as a min. I'm not sure why this is Fast healing. the name of current version should be said as Slight Moment of Great Healing, not FAST. even fey spring(Shiradi ED) can be said as fast healing - It heals 1d100 per 60/45/30 seconds.
I suggest that Fast Healings should be every [60/40/20] seconds per rank(or stack), not every a min.

[RobbinB]

There's two versions of Fast Healing, but They're same which triggers every a min.

Fast Healing(Epic Destiny): You heal [2/4/6]d20 HP each minute using positive energy.
Fast Healing(Epic TR): You heal "5 plus 5 per 5 character level" HP each minute. This stacks up 3 times.

I can't understand why devs set the cycle as a min. I'm not sure why this is Fast healing. the name of current version should be said as Slight Moment of Great Healing, not FAST. even fey spring(Shiradi ED) can be said as fast healing - It heals 1d100 per 60/45/30 seconds.
I suggest that Fast Healings should be every [60/40/20] seconds per rank(or stack), not every a min.

Fast healing is rocket-ship turbocharged fast.....compared to let's say lesser regeneration/regeneration/greater regeneration on greensteel items.

OK, not so much fast but rather more effective. And, yeah, there were already posts about making fast healing more useful by reducing the hp totals but having it proc much more often...I would say at least every 15 secs would be nice.

Not so interesting anecdote....when gs came out I posted on the forums how it didn't make sense that gs in general was so hyperinflated except for the regeneration which was like completely useless and who would ever go for that?.....the responses were in the majority that regeneration wasn't underpowered, that even if the hp regen was pretty low it was still useful and it was a nice perk in the sense that any healing would prevent bleeding out if you were between 0 and -10...now compare fast healing to regeneration and, yep, it's the stink.

(There was also the issue of so-called greater disruption on gs being worse than standard disruption....is that in any way been addressed to date or is it still worse?....[insert standard complaint about clueless dev team here])

[Krelar]

(There was also the issue of so-called greater disruption on gs being worse than standard disruption....is that in any way been addressed to date or is it still worse?....[insert standard complaint about clueless dev team here])

That was addressed a long time ago. (U9 in April of 2011) Greater disruption now adds 6d6 bane damage vs 4d6 for regular disruption. they both destroy undead with less than 1000 HP on a roll of 20 no save or do 100 damage to undead with more than 1000 HP.

[redspecter23]

Fast healing is much faster than your rate of healing normally, which is 0 per minute. It's also fast if you compare it to DnD 3.5 where you heal 1 hp a day if my memory is correct. It is however slow compared to how fast we need to heal in an epic elite endgame which can be every couple seconds in an intense fight. Fast healing is still reasonable for what it's meant to do, which is to keep you topped off in out of battle situations or in places where you generally don't need much healing anyway. It's not going to be the best epic elite healing available, but it will save you a few pots and maybe some scrolls in less intense difficulties.

[kned225]

It should heal a raging barb about the same as a pm's aura heals a pm. Why should every class have easy, effective self-healing except barbarian?

[Missing_Minds]

It's also fast if you compare it to DnD 3.5 where you heal 1 hp a day if my memory is correct.

It is more than that, unless I'm thinking 3.0 instead. But I think you are correct where the time frame is based on a day.

I know that for... survival campaigns where the DM is being alert about encumbrance, temps, climate, etc. Fast Healing was great to have.

[Vellrad]

Devs' solution:
Patch notes:
[...]
Epic past life feats:
[...]
Primal sphere:
-Fast healing renamed to Slow healing.

It should heal a raging barb about the same as a pms aura heals a pm. Why should every class have easy, effective self-healing except barbarian?

Plz, show me fighter's easy self healing button.

IMO, its the same as barb, and is called ameliorating strike, but multiclassing 4 levels seem to hurt fighters more than barbs, as ftr lvl18 cores are (IMO) more fun than bars'.

Fast healing is much faster than your rate of healing normally, which is 0 per minute. It's also fast if you compare it to DnD 3.5 where you heal 1 hp a day if my memory is correct.

1 per day is natural healing, and I'm almost (just almost) sure its 1 per level. Magical fast healing, I think it was 1 per round (weakest version), but I'm not sure.

It is however slow compared to how fast we need to heal in an epic elite endgame which can be every couple seconds in an intense fight. Fast healing is still reasonable for what it's meant to do, which is to keep you topped off in out of battle situations or in places where you generally don't need much healing anyway. It's not going to be the best epic elite healing available, but it will save you a few pots and maybe some scrolls in less intense difficulties.

Agree with that.

[kned225]

Plz, show me fighter's easy self healing button.

You really dont know a fighters easy self healing button? Really?

Why be so against pure barbs having some healing?

[Vellrad]

You really dont know a fighters easy self healing button? Really?

Vamprisism on weapons as a class enhancement. Oh wait, that's barb.
I can't see something that does not exist. Unles you mean items, or racial stuff that are not exclusive to anyone.

Why be so against pure barbs having some healing?

Where I said that?

[Qhualor]

Plz, show me fighter's easy self healing button.

IMO, its the same as barb, and is called ameliorating strike, but multiclassing 4 levels seem to hurt fighters more than barbs, as ftr lvl18 cores are (IMO) more fun than bars'.

This right here is why you need to stay out of barb build threads and barb self sufficiency threads.

[Vellrad]

This right here is why you need to stay out of barb build threads and barb self sufficiency threads.

Dude.
There is no single class ability enabling fighter to self heal
Not one.
Unless you count UMDing scrolls, and at the same time forbid barb to do so.

[kned225]

Vamprisism on weapons as a class enhancement. Oh wait, that's barb.
I can't see something that does not exist. Unles you mean items, or racial stuff that are not exclusive to anyone.

Sigh...the thread is about fast healing...part of the fury epic destiny. Therefore, we're talking about epic levels here, not heroic. Now... what does every EPIC fighter use as effective self-healing?

But just to touch on heroic, if you were referring to vampiric bond, it only works at a certain weapon bond level for a max of 20 temp hps every 6 seconds. Not awful, but hardly enough to be considered reliable, effective self-healing

[Vellrad]

Please say, you're not trying to call 150 temprorary HP +5-30 each 2 seconds (4 tics) a viable epic self healing? In EE, its the same joke as vampiric bond.

[Alavatar]

... a pms aura ...

A bit off topic, but I totally didn't read this right the first time I glanced over it.

[kned225]

Please say, you're not trying to call 150 temprorary HP +5-30 each 2 seconds (4 tics) a viable epic self healing? In EE, its the same joke as vampiric bond.

No, its way better than vampiric bond....unless you dont see the difference between healing and temp hps. Will it keep a pure fighter alive in ee? Maybe not, but its a lot better than what a barb has

And if cocoon is so gimp, why be against fast healing healing for a similar amount on a raging barbarian?

[Teh_Troll]

Plz, show me fighter's easy self healing button.

It's called a cleric.

Hjeal meh!

Jokes aside . . . my fighter can twist in cocoon and use hjeal scrolls in combat. A raging barb cannot.

[Targal]

- Fast Healing (Ex)
A creature with the fast healing special quality regains hit points at an exceptionally fast rate, usually 1 or more hit points per round, as given in the creature’s entry. Except where noted here, fast healing is just like natural healing. At the beginning of each of the creature’s turns, it heals a certain number of hit points (defined in its description). A creature that has taken both nonlethal and lethal damage heals the nonlethal damage first. Fast healing does not restore hit points lost from starvation, thirst, or suffocation, and it does not allow a creature to regrow lost body parts. Unless otherwise stated, it does not allow lost body parts to be reattached. Fast healing does not increase the number of hit points regained when a creature polymorphs.

LINK: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Fast_Healing

I searched the original version. by this word, Fast Healing must be at least per 6 seconds. lol
I think Devs might confuse a round(6 sec) with a turn(60 sec=10 rounds).

Fast healing is rocket-ship turbocharged fast.....compared to let's say lesser regeneration/regeneration/greater regeneration on greensteel items.

I'm not sure you count other things. There's troll regeneration which heals troll greatly fast.

and even Cleric's Divine Healing heals [1/2/4]d4 per 2 seconds.

Devs' solution:
Patch notes:
[...]
Epic past life feats:
[...]
Primal sphere:
-Fast healing renamed to Slow healing.

/signed. They should not lie anymore.



I don't know if barb can cast cocoon when raged, but my monk usually uses cocoon with archmagi stuff. I don't think just being proc more often can make'm all self-heal master, and They can use heal scrolls or cocoon if they need... just using cocoon is better than it.

A raging barb cannot.

got it.

[Vellrad]

Then I acknowledge the cocoon thing.
Barb can use divine healing, and maybe even burst (not 100% sure on that) while raged, so I though cocoon and other spell like ED things will also be useful.

I never said I'm against moar self hjealzors.

(and that's why I don't like fixing twists at lvl1, calling twisters dirty exploiters, cheaters, and all the worst)

[RobbinB]

That was addressed a long time ago. (U9 in April of 2011) Greater disruption now adds 6d6 bane damage vs 4d6 for regular disruption. they both destroy undead with less than 1000 HP on a roll of 20 no save or do 100 damage to undead with more than 1000 HP.

Good to hear, except....didn't the crazy new loot system introduce improved disruption? is that like still 4d6 bane damage but destroy undead with 1500 hp or less? So aren't they back to inconsistency in their descriptions?

[Kaldais]

Here's my solution:

Fast Healing(Epic Destiny): 1AP per rank, 3ranks
You gain Fast Healing supernatural ability.
Fast Healing I: You heal 1hp per round(3 seconds). If already have this ability, you increase your healing rate by 1hp per rank. This healing is considered natural healing, it is unaffected by spell power or healing amplification. Your unconscious to death level is increased by your Fast Healing level x 10HP

Fast Healing (Epic TR)
You gain Fast Healing supernatural ability. You heal 1hp per round(3 seconds). If already have this ability, you increase your healing rate by 1hp per feat. This healing is considered natural healing, it is unaffected by spell power or healing amplification.

Add Epic Feat (can be taken multiple times)
You gain Fast Healing supernatural ability. You heal 1hp per round(3 seconds). If already have this ability, you increase your healing rate by 1hp per feat. This healing is considered natural healing, it is unaffected by spell power or healing amplification.

Change Regenerate to the following:
Regenerate(lesser, normal, greater, trollish): You gain the extraordinary ability of regeneration. You are able to regain [1/2/3/4]HP per round unless the damage is marked as fire/acid, your vulnerability to fire/acid is increased by [25/50/75/100%] while under the effect.