Will it be faster to TR (i.e. go from 1 to 20) or Iconic TR (i.e. go from 15 to 28)?

[nateusmaximus]

Long time player and forum reader, first time poster (edit: apparently this isn't my first post, oops. I totally forgot about the other one.).

I've been wondering about something with respect to the new TR system: will it be faster to play a multi-TR character from levels 1 to 20, or from levels 15 to 28. In other words, will it be faster to do regular TRs in order to gain past lives, or would it be faster to Iconic TR? I was originally thinking about this in terms of the number of quests you would need to do each of those, but it quickly dawned on me that quest length is quite different at early levels and later levels.

Another complication is that you need to play epic content (either on your TR or a token farming character) in order to accumulate enough tokens to do a regular TR, while Turbine expects that playing from 20 to 28 will yield enough Commendations of Valor to do an Iconic or Epic TR (meaning that TRing is built into the Iconic TR questing process and shouldn't require extra questing after reaching level 28).

The stones of XP and stones of epic XP add another dimension of complexity to this, but I refuse to buy the boxes, so I'm not considering those for the purposes of this question.

I imagine there is a clever way of figuring this out, taking into consideration average quest length and average quest xp with various modifications (e.g. tome of learning, xp pot, ship buffs, etc.), but I also imagine the collective wisdom of DDO forum readers will generate a rough consensus that will turn out to be right.

Thank you for your thoughts in advance!

[Silverleafeon]

There are three more iconics (FR drow? Ravanger dwarf? Haper Witch?) in the planning stages along with one more race (Gnomes?).

The Iconic Reincarnate offers two past lives instead of one ~ Iconic and class.

So be careful how many past lives you accumulate by heroic TRing lest you be in my shoes someday...

[Enoach]

Keeping Otto's out of the equation (as that can skew the progression)

While going from 20 to 28 is 6.6 million XP and going from Level 15 to 20 is approx. 1.4 million XP an Iconic will need roughly 8 Million XP before they can TR - only 1.4 million of it will be at the Heroic Level while the 6.6 million XP will be at the Epic Level. At Epic Levels it is faster to earn XP as most quests average 20K+ after first time bonuses etc. While Heroic quests average far less.

Personally I think it will take me less time to do an Epic TR from 20 to 28 than it will for me to do a Heroic TR from 1 to 20. But right now that is only theory. I have a plan to do a Epic/Heroic TR of one of my characters, in which they will become one of the Iconic characters starting at level 15. This character is already level 28, so the first task will be getting the comms to do the epic TR. I'll know more once U20 drops.

[Dragon.Star]

There are three more iconics (FR drow? Ravanger dwarf? Haper Witch?) in the planning stages along with one more race (Gnomes?).

Where is this info coming from or is this pure speculation?

OP: I think it will be easier doing the Iconic approach, on average a few guildies and myself can farm out 500k in a 2-3 hour window.

[Silverleafeon]

Where is this info coming from or is this pure speculation?

OP: I think it will be easier doing the Iconic approach, on average a few guildies and myself can farm out 500k in a 2-3 hour window.

Worth watching, DDO Podcast with Glin (who said it), Cordovan, and Torelo:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...9-Ask-the-Devs

Please watch it yourself as my quote might be slightly off.

[Dragon.Star]

Worth watching, DDO Podcast with Glin (who said it), Cordovan, and Torelo:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...9-Ask-the-Devs

Please watch it yourself as my quote might be slightly off.

Yep I actually did watch that and remember some talk about possible gnomes, dont' remember the rest though, I'll go listen to it again, thanks for the info.

[Oxarhamar]

Where is this info coming from or is this pure speculation?

OP: I think it will be easier doing the Iconic approach, on average a few guildies and myself can farm out 500k in a 2-3 hour window.

Back when Iconics were first introduced it was stated that there were to be more to come. finding the Dev quote is another thing entirely

Edit* should have refreshed the page before posting comment**

[Dielzen]

There are three more iconics (FR drow? Ravanger dwarf? Haper Witch?) in the planning stages along with one more race (Gnomes?).

Those are the items they mentioned in the DDOcast, yes. Ravager Dwarf is (I'm guessing) based on the dwarves from the Drizzt books, as I imagine the FR Drow will be. The Harper Witch was said to be based on Bards, but that bards needed some work on them first (sounds like bard love "soon").

They've done a cost-analysis on Gnomes already, so it's likely to be "soon," as well.