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[uncleblue]

I don't find anything fun about epic levels, nor epic quests. Hearts can only be earned by playing those epic sagas. Epic sagas are only gianthold and forgotten realms content. I do not have fun in forgotten realms, I pretty much hate every second spent there.

So you hate most endgame content, sounds like you were going to quit anyways. In fact, you just sound sad in general.

You say this will cause a variety of quests to be run, but you are mistaken, only the quests included in epic sagas will be able to earn hearts so only that small portion of the game will be ground out for hearts. That is the opposite of what you say. Playing only those limited quests rather than the quests I actually enjoy, very much fits the description of grinding your mind into mush.

Actually, those sagas have Heroic versions as well. Please list all quests you enjoy. I think the list will be shorter than the list of quests in the relevant sagas.

This change will basically force me away from having fun as I am now, into running mostly quests that I hate. That is the opposite of playing the game for fun.

Some people think challenge and risk of failure is fun. Apparently, you think easy-mode is fun. Run the quests you do not enjoy on CASUAL. They made that difficulty just for people like you.

As to how difficult of a quest people run: who the heck cares? You say in the very next sentence that they should play the game for fun, but I guess what you mean is that they should play the game how you think is fun and otherwise be damned.

The people running them care: they run them because they are easy and mindless (see: grind). Quests with challenges force you to pay attention and not just faceroll the keyboard. You never know, once you actually TRY the quests a few times, you might like them. I HATED Crucible when I first tried it, now I am convinced it's one of the best quests in the game.

[Ausdoerrt]

I suggest we stop replying to the uncleblue nonsense, as he's obviously a smelly, bridge-dwelling troll.

[Lanhelin]

Seriously, guys, stop feeding the troll.

Good idea :P

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

I have four accounts. One VIP, three premium. I multibox. I enjoy the game the way I choose to play it. It's fun.

I don't have a lot of time to play (full time job and single father of two). I buy the hearts I require from the store mainly because it saves me time on my way to completionist. It often takes me months just to go from 1-20.

This particular change with regards to how you obtain hearts in game does NOTHING to me. It doesn't change my gaming in the slightest. I have no actual stake in this.

Having said that, I think with the information provided of 17 comms per epic saga, and requiring 900 for just a regular TR is just absurd. It borders on lunacy.

[uncleblue]

You make it sound like you have to play it once. You don't. You have to play it 150 times. 150 times, or 15 days of actual game play. If you started right now, and did not eat, sleep, take any breaks, stop to sell and repair or anything, you would have enough to get a heart in 15 days....15 days of straight playtime. Break that out into more common play time, and it get's worse. According to a thread that was done not too long ago, the average player spends about 2 hours a night playing. So, if for that two hours you got to play, you did nothing but run gianthold quests, and you played every single day, it would take you 187 days. That is over half a year. So, sometime next year, I can finally TR, and that is after spending all of my in game time on one character, doing nothing but running Gianthold.

Yeah, it seems pretty crappy.

Yeah, it's also a huge exaggeration, and still subject to change.

And that is why the store exists. If you find this too large a time investment, invest money instead.

Same as F2P vs. VIP.

[uncleblue]

No, you can't. You can only get the comms from completing the epic sagas.

If this is accurate, then it is an oversight, and worth investigation/changing.

Are you sure you can not get Heroic TR tokens with Heroic Saga completions?

Got a link? Because I read it differently.

[uncleblue]

Only epic sagas will give comms. So you don't even know how this works. Maybe you should educate yourself before you continue this discussion.

You have no idea how I enjoy the game, so trying to tell me I am a "bull charging a red cape" just continues to make you sound more and more ignorant.

And maybe you just identified the only problem I find with the whole thing.

Personal attacks are the last resort of those with no ground to stand on.

[uncleblue]

Few of the quests in the sagas are fun.

Says you.

I disagree.

Sounds like you take little fun in anything to me.

Kind of a negative Nancy.

[Shorlong]

If this is accurate, then it is an oversight, and worth investigation/changing.

Are you sure you can not get Heroic TR tokens with Heroic Saga completions?

Got a link? Because I read it differently.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ed-10-18-2013)

Bolded for reference.

Sagas:
NEW: Epic level Saga rewards now include the option to select "Commendations of Valor:"
Commendations of Valor are a Bound to Character currency which fit in the Ingredient Bag.
If you remove the Commendations of Valor from your ingredient bag and doubleclick on them, a shop interface will open in which you can spend your Commendations of Valor for the following rewards:
Heroic True Heart of Wood (Bound to Character) currently requires 900 Commendations of Valor on Lamannia.
Iconic True Heart of Wood (Bound to Character) currently requires 1150 Commendations of Valor on Lamannia.
Epic Heart of Wood (Bound to Character) currently requires 2000 Commendations of Valor on Lamannia.
True Hearts of Wood are no longer available at The Twelve.

[Havok.cry]

So you hate most endgame content, sounds like you were going to quit anyways. In fact, you just sound sad in general.

No actually, I was going to TR more, but not if I have to run sagas.

Actually, those sagas have Heroic versions as well. Please list all quests you enjoy. I think the list will be shorter than the list of quests in the relevant sagas.

still ignorant, maybe caps will help you: ONLY EPIC SAGAS WILL GIVE COMS, NOT HEROIC!

As to which quests I like, well that would be most heroic quests with the exclusion of half the gianthold walkups and everything in the necropolis.

Some people think challenge and risk of failure is fun. Apparently, you think easy-mode is fun. Run the quests you do not enjoy on CASUAL. They made that difficulty just for people like you.

I run everything on elite. I will not play quests I do not enjoy for any reason. I will not play them on casual because I will still not enjoy them.You seem incapable of getting it through you head that difficulty of quests is not a reason people don't run some things.

The people running them care: they run them because they are easy and mindless (see: grind). Quests with challenges force you to pay attention and not just faceroll the keyboard. You never know, once you actually TRY the quests a few times, you might like them. I HATED Crucible when I first tried it, now I am convinced it's one of the best quests in the game.

I have run every quest in the game. I try new quests to see if I will miraculously start liking FR content. I do so so I can be honest when I say I hate them. You tell me to play the game to have fun, but now you are telling me to play the parts I hate till I like them.

The people running the quests on lower difficulty are not running them with you and you and them would not have fun together, so why do you care how they have fun?


As a note, you should stop making assumptions about my playstyle as so far, you have not had a single correct assumption.

[uncleblue]

But it will be FEWER quests run for comms, genius.

The only chance of failure introduced here is the chance of failure for the game as a whole

Except all those who will quit and can't be bothered. Also, this is not "endgame" in any shape or form.

OK, setting aside all opinions and biases on this one, and even assuming nobody quits over this. It's a crappy short-term cash grab. You can only buy the new packs once - then the cash flow's dried out.

Also, as you might notice, most people complaining already have most or all of the relevant content anyway.

No it's not bloody semantics. We have a proper test server too, you know.

I suppose putting holes in your arm with a screwdriver is "something to do" as well then. Gotcha. Brb.

It's not fun to run the same few quests over and over.

Do the math, the variety of quests run (in practice, not principal) will be much higher. Currently, people grind a select few quests.
Having to run quests unfamiliar to you will be a challenge, trust me.
Quitters never win. "Endgame" is defined by the game, and we both know this is a temporary measure until level 30 cap. Quit being stupid.
OMG HOW DARE TURBINE TRY TO MAKE MONEY! THE NERVE!
I see like 10 REALLY VOCAL people complaining.
Semantics is semantics, look it up.
Equating running sagas to self-mutilation is ridiculous.

[Havok.cry]

And maybe you just identified the only problem I find with the whole thing.

Personal attacks are the last resort of those with no ground to stand on.

When you make a statement that contants incorrect information, and are told you are ignorant because of it, it is not a personal attack, but a statement of fact. You were ignorant. Now, based on your statement, I assume you are no longer ignorant on that subject.

[Shorlong]

Yeah, it's also a huge exaggeration, and still subject to change.

And that is why the store exists. If you find this too large a time investment, invest money instead.

Same as F2P vs. VIP.

I have invested money. Lots of it, every month. I have spent, in four years, around $1,000 a year, and plan on spending more. That isn't the point though. I had an option in game to do it, and now, in order to do it, you have to sink half a year to grind it. It is NOT an exaggeration, it is fact. Running it on epic hard, the entire saga, nets you 17 comms. Just to do a normal TR and get a normal Heroic Heart, you need to run the Gianthold saga on EH 53 times. The entire saga, on epic only. 53 times. That's over a month at 2 hours a night doing nothing but Gianthold quests on Epic Hard. Epic TR is running EGH on EH 118 times. So, while my original numbers were off (I was going based off of the 150 runs someone else mentioned) it is still 147 days at 2 hours a day.

That is a bit much to ask. Now, take all epic level packs and make them sagas with the same reward, awesome, much better. Still not great, as it still takes the same amount of time, but at least you can vary your play somewhat. Now cut the requirement down about 3/4ths, and you have something much more manageable. It would still take over a month to get the Epic heart, but about a week for a heroic. This is still longer than what some people do now, but about on par with what the average gamer gets.

[uncleblue]

The problem is that if this hits life unchanged, it will completel destroy the TR scene. it is easier to just level up from sratch one toon after the other, kill them at lv. 28 and restart than to grind out the sagas for the comms needed to epic TR. Scene destroyed, let´s get over with this and move on?

Fine, but I will tell you this - I fear that this behavior of Turbine would lead to a mass exodus of senior players. If this is intended, fine. If not, beware, Turbine!

Might I add, coincidence or not, that at the same time U20 will hit life, EOS will be comming up. In my guild allone about 50% of the active player base will give EOS a close look. And at least halfo of them are multiple TRs not liking by a large margin the changes in TR as are disclosed by now.

The "TR scene" is changing, like things do.

Never heard of EOS. If they create a better game, more power to them, and they deserve whatever playerbase they can build.

Sounds like you think your guild is the entire playerbase. It isn't. Stop whining.

[Havok.cry]

And maybe you just identified the only problem I find with the whole thing.

Personal attacks are the last resort of those with no ground to stand on.

When you make a statement that contants incorrect information, and are told you are ignorant because of it, it is not a personal attack, but a statement of fact.

Says you.

I disagree.

Yes we disagree, but you seem to be missing the point. Why should people, who unlike you, dislike that particular part of the game be forced to run it as the only way to get back to the part of the game they enjoy? You stated we should play for fun, so you should be just fine with a way for other s to have fun too.

Sounds like you take little fun in anything to me.

Kind of a negative Nancy.

I don't like the things you like, so I must not like anything? Really? That's what you are going with? And then right after your post claiming being called ignorant, after you had shown you were, was a personal attack, you start with name calling.

[uncleblue]

I suggest we stop replying to the uncleblue nonsense, as he's obviously a smelly, bridge-dwelling troll.

No need to resort to name-calling.

Way to show your maturity, though.

[Ausdoerrt]

Getting bigger. Thanks to all the newcomers. No thanks to the caustic forum trolls :P

No need to resort to name-calling.

Way to show your maturity, though.

Yeah, sorry. I suppose I should've joined you in calling people "cheap" and "lazy", that's totally mature :P

[Chauncey1]

is astonishing.

[AtomicMew]

Biggest guild on wayfinder? ;o

[Ausdoerrt]

Increasing the time requirement is not the same as increasing grind.

Lol. Yes it is.