Changes to TR heart purchases are not okay

[kierg10]

NEW: Epic level Saga rewards now include the option to select "Commendations of Valor:"
Commendations of Valor are a currency which fit in the Ingredient Bag.
If you remove the Commendations of Valor from your ingredient bag and doubleclick on them, a shop interface will open in which you can spend your Commendations of Valor for the following rewards:
Heroic True Heart of Wood
Iconic True Heart of Wood
Epic Heart of Wood
True Hearts of Wood are no longer available at The Twelve.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...-10-18-2013%29

This is not okay.

You are removing any benefit to the work people have put in to acquiring tokens of the twelve for hearts of wood, and at the same time making tokens of the twelve useless.

Noone is buying the old augments (Except +1 exceptional stat augments and even then not if you have a true globe) because they are either outclassed by loot gen, or simply useless.

If you change this you are further killing any reason to run old epics and are further diminishing yet another part of your game.

Please change this, or you will annoy many long term players who have saved up many tokens of the twelve for the purpose of TR hearts and who you are now telling have farmed out all those tokens for no (in game) reason.

Edit:
Quotes from people in game who don't like this:
(Guild: [Guild] Brokadin: if i cant tr cause i dont have the packs ill just plain quit :P

(Tell): Name Removed tells you, 'wow, I don't like that change at all, gonna be hard as hell to get hearts of wood'

(Tell): Smorl tells you, 'wow :/'

[Satyriasys]

I never understood why mmos always make older content obsolete when new content comes out. Expansions should make the game bigger not smaller.

[Mimmo]

Saga completions for Hearts.....hellno!

I want to run sagas about as much as I want to rub salt and ground up glass into my open wounds.

[somethingtosay]

[DrNuegebauer]

I guess I should take my 150 tokens and turn them into True Druidic Hearts of Wood as soon as I can -_-

Good idea - however, there's no such thing as a "True Druidic Heart" in U20 - it's iconic/heroic etc hearts. Turbine will of course assure us that existing hearts will convert to heroic hearts, but the code will accidentally convert them to LR+0 hearts. This will be described as "not WAI", and then go on the known issues list. Once there, they'll feel justified leaving it for 12+ months and telling people to either buy a working heart or grind an epic saga.

[somethingtosay]

[DownGrayeDD]

Good idea - however, there's no such thing as a "True Druidic Heart" in U20 - it's iconic/heroic etc hearts. Turbine will of course assure us that existing hearts will convert to heroic hearts, but the code will accidentally convert them to LR+0 hearts. This will be described as "not WAI", and then go on the known issues list. Once there, they'll feel justified leaving it for 12+ months and telling people to either buy a working heart or grind an epic saga.

this would be funny if it was not a very real possibility.

[SilkofDrasnia]

Why not make the new Heroic Hearts available from the epic vendor in the twelve, like they are now for tokens, and make the new forms of of TRing available via sagas like they intend?

[DrNuegebauer]

Awful idea.

Put them at the 12 AS WELL as through saga completion.

[zDragonz]

"No sir! I don't Like it!" -quote from the Horse in the Cartoon Ren and Stimpy.

[Teh_Troll]

Will the current heart still work if we stock up on them now?

[erethizon]

Will the current heart still work if we stock up on them now?

That's what I want to know too. I farmed hundreds of tokens a couple lives ago so that I would be fully stocked for Triple Completionist. I am not looking forward to having a couple dozen spots in my TR cache filled with hearts of wood, but compared to having all that effort wasted by not being able to turn the tokens in it is worth the loss of space.

[Satyriasys]

Will the current heart still work if we stock up on them now?

My Lammania character has an old true heart in the bank. It has been renamed to Heroic True Heart.

[Gizeh]

Looks to me like Turbine wants to make it harder to acquire Hearts ingame in the hope that more people will buy them in the DDO store. At least that is the only reason I can imagine why they intend to do this, as I can not see any benefit for the players in removing the Hearts from the Twelve trader's list.

I do not like this proposed change. I enjoy running the old epics, and with most gear from those quests already being obsolete it would be nice if the tokens would remain useful, so I can have both fun and a useful reward instead of getting just one of them.

[zetis]

Saga completions for Hearts.....hellno!

I want to run sagas about as much as I want to rub salt and ground up glass into my open wounds.

LOL. This is so true. If this change is made, I'll be taking my money elsewhere. I see people already trading in their tokens for tr hearts, but how many can you actually fit in the ever so limited storage space when those don't even stack. No I will not be doing that. I will simply just stop playing if this change is made. I propose that until this change is taken off the table, everyone stop running any forgotten realms content.

[DemonStorm333]

please tell me that tokens can be used to purchase these certificate thingys so that atleast we have a use for them and we dont have to start a new grind and ahve to buy packs to run the sagas??

[propaganda101]

NEW: Epic level Saga rewards now include the option to select "Commendations of Valor:"
Commendations of Valor are a currency which fit in the Ingredient Bag.
If you remove the Commendations of Valor from your ingredient bag and doubleclick on them, a shop interface will open in which you can spend your Commendations of Valor for the following rewards:
Heroic True Heart of Wood
Iconic True Heart of Wood
Epic Heart of Wood
True Hearts of Wood are no longer available at The Twelve.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...-10-18-2013%29

This is not okay.

You are removing any benefit to the work people have put in to acquiring tokens of the twelve for hearts of wood, and at the same time making tokens of the twelve useless.

Noone is buying the old augments (Except +1 exceptional stat augments and even then not if you have a true globe) because they are either outclassed by loot gen, or simply useless.

If you change this you are further killing any reason to run old epics and are further diminishing yet another part of your game.

Please change this, or you will annoy many long term players who have saved up many tokens of the twelve for the purpose of TR hearts and who you are now telling have farmed out all those tokens for no (in game) reason.

Edit:
Quotes from people in game who don't like this:
(Guild: [Guild] Brokadin: if i cant tr cause i dont have the packs ill just plain quit :P

(Tell): Name Removed tells you, 'wow, I don't like that change at all, gonna be hard as hell to get hearts of wood'

(Tell): Smorl tells you, 'wow :/'

That was a great post very well though and layed out gj.
that being said let me add a few cents of my own.
MAINLY WHAT ARE YOU MONKEYS AT TURBINE THINKING?
One of the only reasons ppl even run the old epics is for tokens to tr. Alot of ppl who are ftp or premium only purchased packs to run them so they could tr.
Now you are telling ppl not only will all the hard work that they have put into getting tokens, be for nothing but that they are also going to have to spend more real money to buy
the sagas just so that they can tr.
What a ploy turbine way to make a "free to play game cost even more" myself im vip, but as it is have you tryed to play a ftp account lately? ftp my bottom! It is no wounder we have the lowest new sucriber base of any mmo.I keep hearing take away this ,replace that, over and over again but i have yet to hear "new end game raid comming u20" after all that is what 95% of your entire player base is waiting on. so turbine my question is where is the raid and what are you thinking with removing hearts from the token list?

[darkly_dreaming]

I was actually tentatively excited and even happy about recent and proposed changes to the game as they affected TR'ing. I found I liked the change to quest XP ransack, as it allowed me to skip content I didn't enjoy, and replay more content that I do. I didn't need to adhere quite so much to a 'path' in order to attain enough xp for another life.

The proposed reduction in XP requirements for 3rd and more life TR's was also a welcome change.

When I'm happy about playing the game, I spend money. I splurge on XP pots or cosmetics.

This change does NOT make me happy. It does not make me look forward to playing. It, in fact, places an unnecessary and unwelcome burden (having to run epic content on sub-optimal characters. SPECIFIC epic content that we may even dislike. Intensely.) on players.

When I'm not happy about playing the game ... I don't play. If I'm not playing I'm not spending money. I'm not usually the doom and gloom type, but this proposed change makes me distinctly gloomy.

As it stands, I support my chronic TR'ing by running epics with friends and my Guild when I want, doing content I enjoy. I'm not forced into a particular path to do so. I can swap my accumulated tokens and fragments to my TR and keep along my merry way. I don't have to inflict my under-geared, sub-optimal, gimp flavor build of the month on actual groups.

This whole idea of going back to BTC items found only in specific quest arcs in order to TR is just terrible.

[nibel]

I was actually tentatively excited and even happy about recent and proposed changes to the game as they affected TR'ing. I found I liked the change to quest XP ransack, as it allowed me to skip content I didn't enjoy, and replay more content that I do. I didn't need to adhere quite so much to a 'path' in order to attain enough xp for another life.

The proposed reduction in XP requirements for 3rd and more life TR's was also a welcome change.

When I'm happy about playing the game, I spend money. I splurge on XP pots or cosmetics.

This change does NOT make me happy. It does not make me look forward to playing. It, in fact, places an unnecessary and unwelcome burden (having to run epic content on sub-optimal characters. SPECIFIC epic content that we may even dislike. Intensely.) on players.

When I'm not happy about playing the game ... I don't play. If I'm not playing I'm not spending money. I'm not usually the doom and gloom type, but this proposed change makes me distinctly gloomy.

As it stands, I support my chronic TR'ing by running epics with friends and my Guild when I want, doing content I enjoy. I'm not forced into a particular path to do so. I can swap my accumulated tokens and fragments to my TR and keep along my merry way. I don't have to inflict my under-geared, sub-optimal, gimp flavor build of the month on actual groups.

This whole idea of going back to BTC items found only in specific quest arcs in order to TR is just terrible.

^This.

And every single point of this rage that is infesting the forums today could be avoided if you guys simply keep the basic TR heart at the twelve.

That is it. No one cares if the epic heart takes two months to farm because it is a new thing. Just keep the old heart where it was and it may lessen a lot of fires and flames.

[Stonemerge]

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i hoped so, you guys learned your lesson from the Epic TR Debacle. And now this. I had plans to Triple-Completionst-TR my Main (saved 600 Tokens in years). As it looks now, i will make some pix of my toons after U20 and then delete them.
If it is on Lama, then there is usually no way back. This will be MY gamebreaker. And from what I've heard so far on the Server, I won't be the only one.