Changes to TR heart purchases are not okay

[Charononus]

Well, to be fair, 99% of forum posters see that result no matter what... It's the This New Thing syndrome.

While the others think **** sandwiches taste good.

[BOgre]

While the others think **** sandwiches taste good.

We all eat them sooner or later. May as well get used to the taste

But seriously, I'm not saying the change is good or bad at this point, just pointing out that Doom posts aren't news.

edit: neither are posts pointing out that doom posts aren't news. nor are thread hijacks. nor 'this has all happened before' ses... And now, for something completely different:

[burningwind]

are you crazy? why should people grind to tr? people already grind so much to the level cap.... turbine want player to keep playing the game, not quiting at cap because laze to grind out token..

so far this seem to the best idea turbine had in years..

edit: this will also lead to way more epic gameplay, rather then everyone farming one or two quest(challenge) for token... seem to be doing more good then harm to me..
edit2: on second thought, maybe they should keep the old trader at twelve... give people some choice and option..

[Tyrande]

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edit: this will also lead to way more epic gameplay, rather then everyone farming one or two quest(challenge) for token... seem to be doing more good then harm to me..

/agreed

People often complained about the lack of grouping and lack of epic LFMs because of people soloing and people farming Market Barracks and that one Challenge.

[Hendrik]

Anyone giving odds on U20 implementing the new tr saga reward AND breaking sagas again?

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[Antiguo]

are you crazy? why should people grind to tr? people already grind so much to the level cap.... turbine want player to keep playing the game, not quiting at cap because laze to grind out token..

so far this seem to the best idea turbine had in years..

edit: this will also lead to way more epic gameplay, rather then everyone farming one or two quest(challenge) for token... seem to be doing more good then harm to me..
edit2: on second thought, maybe they should keep the old trader at twelve... give people some choice and option..

They give people some choice and option, pay cash and use the store, dont like it? too bad.

And if you think this change wont promove a harder grind than the one we have now..... well, you may be interested in a bridge i own in San Francisco, very cheap my friend, trust me.

[Charononus]

are you crazy? why should people grind to tr? people already grind so much to the level cap.... turbine want player to keep playing the game, not quiting at cap because laze to grind out token..

so far this seem to the best idea turbine had in years..

edit: this will also lead to way more epic gameplay, rather then everyone farming one or two quest(challenge) for token... seem to be doing more good then harm to me..
edit2: on second thought, maybe they should keep the old trader at twelve... give people some choice and option..

It's going to be far far far more grind now for a heroic tr.

[Antiguo]

/agreed

People often complained about the lack of grouping and lack of epic LFMs because of people soloing and people farming Market Barracks and that one Challenge.

People complained of people farming DA and a challenge to get tokens?

Well, not saying that you are full of **** but... source please?

[Melli]

For me the real problem with this mechanism is that it forces people who want to heroic TR to play at epic levels for an unknown amount of time. What if you just want to get to 20 and heroic TR? One of my friends has no interest at all in epic levels. He just keeps trying out new builds and tests them to 20, then starts over. I can't begin to guess how many monk past lives he has. This change has him foaming at the mouth about how Turbine keeps narrowing players' options.

It can't be good business practice to remove choices from players if you want to maintain your old player base as well as grow your new one. As my friend described it - it's like changing from being forced to run a maze to reach the cheese at the end to being forced to run down a narrow hall to reach the cheese.

I truly hope Turbine reconsiders this decision.

[Charononus]

/agreed

People often complained about the lack of grouping and lack of epic LFMs because of people soloing and people farming Market Barracks and that one Challenge.

People doing a quick farm to tr again isn't why there are a lack of epic lfms. In fact this will cause less lfms as you don't need a group to do epic quests for a saga.

[Eistander]

To me, its not so much the idea of a new system, its that this new system is being literally rammed down our collective throats.. if they at least gave the players a chance to burn off their tokens they have for their hearts, it will extend it that much longer over simply saying "Buy them now or lose out!". It's way to heavy handed, and I don't exactly like where this is gonna go with it being pushed as hard as it is.

Never mind that we still don't have the second half to the new affix-suffix system, among other things. But the itemization thing stands out just the same.

[Antiguo]

Never mind that we still don't have the second half to the new affix-suffix system, among other things. But the itemization thing stands out just the same.

You dont get it, they have time to add another shameless moneygrabbing scheme, but they dont have time to finish implementing the old item permutations.

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Yeah i know, it doesnt make sense, but.... Turbine..

[djl]

I know the real reason why they did this:

Too many people stocked up on thousands of tokens, and it's impossible to get rid of them all. Thus, they nerf the tokens instead so that they don't lose out on bunches of DDO store sales.

[kierg10]

i put this in general for a reason.

please move it back.

thanks all who commented, turbine please realize that this is not a good change, this just makes people feel more limited in what they can do.

people do not like to be limited.

i support adding ability to get tr hearts in epic sagas, just please do not remove the ability to purchase them from the 12.

[JOTMON]

I know the real reason why they did this:

Too many people stocked up on thousands of tokens, and it's impossible to get rid of them all. Thus, they nerf the tokens instead so that they don't lose out on bunches of DDO store sales.

Rubbish those offenders got forced vacations and had their inventory adjusted with extreme prejudice.

Screwing our TR trade option for tokens in favor of extended Saga farming runs and adjusted BTC commendations to encourage DDO store sales is the obvious goal.

[DownGrayeDD]

/agreed

People often complained about the lack of grouping and lack of epic LFMs because of people soloing and people farming Market Barracks and that one Challenge.

Maybe if they want people to run epic quests they should come up with loot that isn't terrible. I came back a few weeks ago after a year absence and as far as gear in the new content I haven't missed a single good thing.

[Charononus]

i put this in general for a reason.

please move it back.

thanks all who commented, turbine please realize that this is not a good change, this just makes people feel more limited in what they can do.

people do not like to be limited.

i support adding ability to get tr hearts in epic sagas, just please do not remove the ability to purchase them from the 12.

and they moved it to lam so that most people won't hear about it and that there will be less rage so that they can try to push store sales easier.

[djl]

Rubbish those offenders got forced vacations and had their inventory adjusted with extreme prejudice.

Screwing our TR trade option for tokens in favor of extended Saga farming runs and adjusted BTC commendations to encourage DDO store sales is the obvious goal.

You believe that? I'm sure that most if not all of the offenders did have numerous items deleted, but do you really think Turbine has the man-power to do that to every alt that every one of the cheaters has? I don't.

[Charononus]

You believe that? I'm sure that most if not all of the offenders did have numerous items deleted, but do you really think Turbine has the man-power to do that to every alt that every one of the cheaters has? I don't.

Rough guess from talking to people that have admitted to exploiting they got about 10% of the exploiters.

[zDragonz]

Removing THOW from the Twelve forces a lot of us to buy Expansions and packs. You know that face we get when we feel betrayed. It also makes the hardcore ftp person who only earns T-Points with favor (Does not have the means to buy TPoints) to save them all just for a THOW from the Store (There will be no other way for them to get the means to Heroic TR). Guess they won't be playing anymore. New customers who just want to be ftp and have no idea about this will get up to level 20 and then find out they have to spend money just to TR (Buy more packs/Expansions or you can't TR). They will get that face they feel when betrayed and will also feel like a jackass and probably shrug their shoulders and say oh well it was fun while it lasted and not play anymore.
This removes a delicate balance that the game has. And that balance is that true ftp folks will be extinct.

Will there be a ftp saga that gives this out?
And like another person in this thread said and I think I read it the same way: We have to run Epic just to Heroic TR or be forced to purchase our TR?

Or and this a big Or. Did Tolero forget to say that THOW is no longer available in the Twelve but the Changed name is. If this is the case then a HUGE LOL! and this Thread is shattered.