Tempest Enhancement works with handwraps?

[Dace]

Does the T2 Tempest core enhancement work with handwraps or are they not considered dual wielding?

"Tempest: You gain +10% chance to make off-hand attacks when dual wielding. While you are dual wielding, you can use your dexterity modifier to hit with light melee weapons. You now treat Scimitars as if they were light melee weapons."

Obviously Shintao Deft Strikes does work, but I'm not seeing any (Effects) feedback when I toggle between wraps and two kamas that indicate the Tempest ability is actually functioning.

Any idea?

[Vellrad]

Get GTWF, deft strikes and this tempest thing.
Use lama if you don't want to build character on live.
Equip 2 low DPS weapons and start swinging.
If you ever notice that one of your hits didn't hit twice, it don't works.

[Munkenmo]

They don't work with wraps sadly.

Best bet nowadays is to assume things don't work with wraps unless specifically stated.
(in the event of something being specifically stated assume it'll be bugged somehow)

[maddong]

I appeared to be always getting off hands when combining deft strikes with tempest and hand wraps. I haven't done it since prior to the updates.

[Dace]

>>>> Use lama if you don't want to build character on live.

Done. Tested. 100% offhand achievable with Shintao and Tempest (or I had a really lucky 10m hitting the kobolds).

Hope that's of use to some of you

[Dace]

This character is intended as a DPS freak. Reasonable trapping potential / party functionality.

Stun the mob, rip the mobs to bit with poison/sneak attack/helpless damage, repeat. Some ranged ability to pep things up a little.

100% offhand attack, no mercy, killer.

Probably to be run in Primal Avatar for 5x critical damage multiplier and some self healing. Twists sense weakness, dance of flowers, legendary tactics. Defence has definitely taken a nosedive on this build so its largely going to be relying on a good offence and improved evasion to stay up (lol fail!).

Dwarf seems like a very good choice for the build as the initial stat spread is very good and we don't have many enhancement points to spare so don't need to invest too heavily in racial. Could drop dexterity by 1/increase constitution by 1 in starting stats for same cost with no build problems.

The rogue/monk levels towards the end can be moved around a bit to maximise skills.

As a first rough draft, any thoughts?

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
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Dwarven Ripyouasaurus
Level 21 Lawful Neutral Dwarf Male
(9 Monk \ 5 Rogue \ 6 Ranger \ 1 Epic) 
Hit Points: 388
Spell Points: 155 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 21
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 21)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            16                    22
Constitution         16                    23
Intelligence          8                    13
Wisdom               16                    25
Charisma              6                    11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 9
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 9
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 9
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 9
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 9
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 9
+6 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19


Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elf
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Monk)


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Ten Thousand Stars


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Tactics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Tactics (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Heartseeker Poison (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Faster Sneaking (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Faster Sneaking (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical

[korsat]

Does the T2 Tempest core enhancement work with handwraps or are they not considered dual wielding?

"Tempest: You gain +10% chance to make off-hand attacks when dual wielding. While you are dual wielding, you can use your dexterity modifier to hit with light melee weapons. You now treat Scimitars as if they were light melee weapons."

Obviously Shintao Deft Strikes does work, but I'm not seeing any (Effects) feedback when I toggle between wraps and two kamas that indicate the Tempest ability is actually functioning.

Any idea?

shhh actually works so that 12m/6r splits are more dps than pure monks.

don't think is WAI though.

[Dace]

Posting the final write-up of this build.

Level split has changed. Level sequence has changed to maximise skill points (sequence now probably better suited to stoning than levelling but it makes little difference). I picked max disable over max UMD, players choice

Dropped all ranged ability to pick up 5% extra dodge. Worth it? Probably if I only ever melee.

Build will be running in Dreadnaught. 100% off-hand strikes. Stunned targets (which should be most things you stomp on) should be getting 50% helpless damage + 30% No Mercy damage bonus + 50% Combat Brute damage.

Doublestrike is handled by 20% killer (temp bonus, easy to keep up), 3% artifact black dragon set bonus and 6% approx. for any random item.

5x critical multiplier. 9d6 sneak attack damage. 5 AP's spare in the below configuration for stat balancing / more sneak attack / whatever.

Should be moderately effective, have fun!

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
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Ripyouasaurus
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Dwarf Male
(12 Monk \ 5 Rogue \ 3 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 370
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 20
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            15                    21
Constitution         17                    24
Intelligence          8                    13
Wisdom               16                    25
Charisma              6                    11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    17
Bluff                -2                     0
Concentration         3                    30
Diplomacy            -2                     0
Disable Device        3                    24
Haggle               -2                     0
Heal                  3                     7
Hide                  6                    20
Intimidate           -2                     0
Jump                  6                    14
Listen                3                     7
Move Silently         6                    20
Open Lock             6                     9
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     1
Search               -1                    26
Spellcraft           -1                     1
Spot                  3                     7
Swim                  n/a                   n/a
Tumble                3                    10
Use Magic Device      2                    15

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Search (+5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Search (+6)


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)


Level 11 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Search (+6)


Level 15 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Use Magic Device (+9)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+6)
Skill: Search (+3)


Level 18 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+7)
Skill: Search (+2)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Disable Device (+6)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Tactics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Tactics (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dagger in the Back (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Heartseeker Poison (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Faster Sneaking (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Faster Sneaking (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - No Mercy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)