Looking for build advice

[ivo_rocker]

Hey guys, how are you? I came here asking for advice on a couple builds: My brother and i want to play together, with complementary characters. I want to play a human, light monk and he wants to play a warforged artificer (caster, if possible). We both have 32 point builds and epic destinies, but i'm not sure how to build those. I read the forums, but apparently my search fu it's not that good. Anyway, at the moment we can't afford tomes, so i wouldn't count on these for feat prereq. Thanks for any help, see you around!

[Lauf]

Hey guys, how are you? I came here asking for advice on a couple builds: My brother and i want to play together, with complementary characters. I want to play a human, light monk and he wants to play a warforged artificer (caster, if possible). We both have 32 point builds and epic destinies, but i'm not sure how to build those. I read the forums, but apparently my search fu it's not that good. Anyway, at the moment we can't afford tomes, so i wouldn't count on these for feat prereq. Thanks for any help, see you around!

I'll start off by saying there isn't much synergy to be had between a human light monk (fleshy with fleshy heals) and a warforged artificer (construct with repairs). but if that is your wish....

just a few questions:
does he want to be a xbow + rune-arm arti, or a melee one?
do you have a preference between wraps, qstaff, and shortswords? or would you prefer a ranged monk with a bow?

[ivo_rocker]

I'll start off by saying there isn't much synergy to be had between a human light monk (fleshy with fleshy heals) and a warforged artificer (construct with repairs). but if that is your wish....

just a few questions:
does he want to be a xbow + rune-arm arti, or a melee one?
do you have a preference between wraps, qstaff, and shortswords? or would you prefer a ranged monk with a bow?

It's less about synergy, and more about who can kill more than the other xD. He'd rather use xbow, and i love handwraps. Thanks for the quick reply!

[unbongwah]

I'll start off by saying there isn't much synergy to be had between a human light monk (fleshy with fleshy heals) and a warforged artificer (construct with repairs). but if that is your wish....

Light monk buffs - namely free blur & -25% SP costs - will always be welcome. Beyond that, it's basically "every brother for himself!"

[ArcaneArcher52689]

Hey guys, how are you? I came here asking for advice on a couple builds: My brother and i want to play together, with complementary characters. I want to play a human, light monk and he wants to play a warforged artificer (caster, if possible). We both have 32 point builds and epic destinies, but i'm not sure how to build those. I read the forums, but apparently my search fu it's not that good. Anyway, at the moment we can't afford tomes, so i wouldn't count on these for feat prereq. Thanks for any help, see you around!

my classic light monk is as follows:
str 15
dex 15
con 14
int 8
wis 16 -> lvl up here until 23 base
cha 8

This also requires a +2 dex tome by lvl 9 and a +2 wis tome by lvl 21, not to difficult to obtain.

Feats:
1) stun fist, twf, toughness*
2) power attack
3) cleave, path of light
6) great cleave, improved sunder
9) itwf
12) improved crit: bludgeon
15) gtwf
18) choice
21)vorpal strikes
24) improved martial arts

[unbongwah]

For a human light monk, have a look at EllisDee's build; it's intended to be a solo challenge farmer, but should also work great in a duo. Since you're short on tomes, I would start 14 / 16 / 14 / 8 / 16 / 8 for base stats; +1s are a lot cheaper to come by than +2s (or worst case you put lvl 8 stat pt into DEX to meet ITWF pre-req).

For a classic (ranged+caster) WF pure arty, here's an updated version of the build I used for mine.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Level 28 True Neutral Warforged Male
(20 Artificer \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 370
Spell Points: 1221 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 11
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength              8                     8
Dexterity            16                    21
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         18                    28
Wisdom                6                     6
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 24

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Artificer)


Level 3 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Precision


Level 4 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot


Level 5 (Artificer)


Level 6 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Artificer)


Level 8 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Rapid Shot


Level 9 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 10 (Artificer)


Level 11 (Artificer)


Level 12 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Artificer)


Level 14 (Artificer)


Level 15 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 16 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 17 (Artificer)


Level 18 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 19 (Artificer)


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Mechanist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Arcanotechnician (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Palliative Admixture (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Thaumaturgical Battery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Bolt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Critical Admixture (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Arcane Empowerment (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Static Shock (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Static Shock (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Static Shock (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Spell Critical (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Spell Critical (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Shocking Vulnerability (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Shocking Vulnerability (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Sphere (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Sphere (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Sphere (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Spell Critical (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Blast Rod (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Blast Rod (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Blast Rod (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Spell Critical (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Motes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Motes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Motes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Evocation Focus (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Battle Engineer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Infused Weapons (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Infused Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Infused Weapons (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Infused Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Crossbow Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thermal Venting (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thermal Venting (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thermal Venting (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Crossbow Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Damage Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Damage Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thaumaturgical Conduits (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thaumaturgical Conduits (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thaumaturgical Conduits (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Crossbow Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Arcane Capacitors (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Crossbow Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Endless Fusilade (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Rune Arm Overcharge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Arcane Capacitors (Rank 1)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Combat Archery


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Force


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot

You'll have to tweak it based on what tomes you actually have (or don't, as the case may be). The +2 INT & CON tomes are nice but not necessary. What's important is hitting base DEX 19 by lvl 16 for IPS and DEX 21 by lvl 24 for Combat Archery.

I'm not convinced it's worth focusing on Arcanotechnican in the long run. To paraphrase another poster, the problem is ATs have all the drawbacks of Air Savant (i.e., lightning-based spells w/Reflex saves) and none of the perks (i.e., lots of SPs, Wind Dance, etc.). But it's easy enough to swap around Enhancements and maybe swap out a couple of feats (e.g., trade Heighten for Toughness) if/when the SLAs stop being useful.

[ivo_rocker]

my classic light monk is as follows:
str 15
dex 15
con 14
int 8
wis 16 -> lvl up here until 23 base
cha 8

This also requires a +2 dex tome by lvl 9 and a +2 wis tome by lvl 21, not to difficult to obtain.

Feats:
1) stun fist, twf, toughness*
2) power attack
3) cleave, path of light
6) great cleave, improved sunder
9) itwf
12) improved crit: bludgeon
15) gtwf
18) choice
21)vorpal strikes
24) improved martial arts

For a human light monk, have a look at EllisDee's build; it's intended to be a solo challenge farmer, but should also work great in a duo. Since you're short on tomes, I would start 14 / 16 / 14 / 8 / 16 / 8 for base stats; +1s are a lot cheaper to come by than +2s (or worst case you put lvl 8 stat pt into DEX to meet ITWF pre-req).

For a classic (ranged+caster) WF pure arty, here's an updated version of the build I used for mine.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Level 28 True Neutral Warforged Male
(20 Artificer \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 370
Spell Points: 1221 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 11
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength              8                     8
Dexterity            16                    21
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         18                    28
Wisdom                6                     6
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 24

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Artificer)


Level 3 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Precision


Level 4 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot


Level 5 (Artificer)


Level 6 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Artificer)


Level 8 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Rapid Shot


Level 9 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 10 (Artificer)


Level 11 (Artificer)


Level 12 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Artificer)


Level 14 (Artificer)


Level 15 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 16 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 17 (Artificer)


Level 18 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 19 (Artificer)


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Mechanist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Arcanotechnician (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Palliative Admixture (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Thaumaturgical Battery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Bolt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Critical Admixture (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Arcane Empowerment (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Static Shock (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Static Shock (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Static Shock (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Spell Critical (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Spell Critical (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Shocking Vulnerability (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Shocking Vulnerability (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Sphere (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Sphere (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Sphere (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Spell Critical (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Blast Rod (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Blast Rod (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Blast Rod (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Spell Critical (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Motes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Motes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Lightning Motes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcanotechnician (Art) - Evocation Focus (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Battle Engineer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Infused Weapons (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Infused Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Infused Weapons (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Infused Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Crossbow Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thermal Venting (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thermal Venting (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thermal Venting (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Crossbow Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Damage Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Damage Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thaumaturgical Conduits (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thaumaturgical Conduits (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Thaumaturgical Conduits (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Crossbow Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Arcane Capacitors (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Crossbow Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Endless Fusilade (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Rune Arm Overcharge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Battle Engineer (Art) - Arcane Capacitors (Rank 1)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Combat Archery


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Force


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot

You'll have to tweak it based on what tomes you actually have (or don't, as the case may be). The +2 INT & CON tomes are nice but not necessary. What's important is hitting base DEX 19 by lvl 16 for IPS and DEX 21 by lvl 24 for Combat Archery.

I'm not convinced it's worth focusing on Arcanotechnican in the long run. To paraphrase another poster, the problem is ATs have all the drawbacks of Air Savant (i.e., lightning-based spells w/Reflex saves) and none of the perks (i.e., lots of SPs, Wind Dance, etc.). But it's easy enough to swap around Enhancements and maybe swap out a couple of feats (e.g., trade Heighten for Toughness) if/when the SLAs stop being useful.

Thank you both, guys. I'll give these a look and try to get some tomes. Thanks again for the advice!