Druid Shields

[Rush007]

Could we get another wooden druid shield in the loot system. Using wall of wood variant since level 15. The bulwark from GH could of easily been made of wood.

[Charononus]

Could we get another wooden druid shield in the loot system. Using wall of wood variant since level 15. The bulwark from GH could of easily been made of wood.

Use an orb if you're a caster or wraps if an animal, you'll be farther ahead that way. It wouldn't hurt them to do as you say, but there is plenty of good gear for druids besides the wow.

[Zipwire]

Use an orb if you're a caster or wraps if an animal, you'll be farther ahead that way. It wouldn't hurt them to do as you say, but there is plenty of good gear for druids besides the wow.

How do either of these options help if you are a melee S+B Druid in animal form?
Serious question.

[Charononus]

How do either of these options help if you are a melee S+B Druid in animal form?
Serious question.

lr +20 heart

pure animal druids are very weak, the only thing that can save an animal druid is a monk splash imo

[CheeseMilk]

Lol, "Change your playstyle completely instead of asking for more material types."

I agree, there should be more options.

As you get up higher, some of the higher ML shield types are non-metal, which would give you more options, if this was pre-u19 and lootgen was useful.

At least the Wall of Wood has six different versions, so it can stay relevant as you level up. Even if some of those versions are quite difficult to come by.

[Missing_Minds]

Op,
Alchemical (material type crystal) is also allowable.

Tower style (which a pure druid may have issues with) are.. alchemical and the Reaver/FOT raid crystal shield.

And honestly with how it looks, Skyvault really should be wood and not mithral also.

But beyond loot gen/crafting that is all I can think of.


Beyond that, I agree with the suggestion.

[Deathbrings]

lr +20 heart

pure animal druids are very weak, the only thing that can save an animal druid is a monk splash imo

So I end up finding you giving false info again...just like with the "Helf got a nerf" thing... Yes monk splash can help a druid, if that is the build. I have seen some pure sword and board druids, manage fair contributions before. Just because you are incapable of making one work, does not mean they aren't viable. They do need to add a new wooden shield in the near future. More options = more fun.

[Charononus]

So I end up finding you giving false info again...just like with the "Helf got a nerf" thing... Yes monk splash can help a druid, if that is the build. I have seen some pure sword and board druids, manage fair contributions before. Just because you are incapable of making one work, does not mean they aren't viable. They do need to add a new wooden shield in the near future. More options = more fun.

There is a difference between being able to cap a toon and having a toon be strong. The dps of a pure s&b druid will be far less than a monk splashed druid. It's even worse since u19 as animal form druids don't get universal spell power or focused elemental spwr to help their dps spells. So their melee dps is less than a monk splash and they cast very low powered spell dps compared to a caster druid. They don't have the feats to dc cast like a caster druid after they take their shield feats and natural fighting so they don't have the dc's of a caster druid. What makes a pure animal form druid strong? Yes a good player can take a gimp toon and contribute but it doesn't change the fact that the build was gimped.

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I also didn't say I was against making more wooden shields, my exact words were that it wouldn't hurt. However I do think that using a shield instead of an orb or wraps on a druid depending on build is a very sub-optimal choice.

[HatsuharuZ]

I have the Wall of Wood, but I find the Weathered Targe to be useful. Also, there are one or two shields from the turn-ins in Necro4 that can be used by druids. I can't remember what they are right now, but I know that one is made of bone.

[psykopeta]

making one work

is there any build that doesn't work? how can a build stop working? imho the axe throwing build that was over here may work in the same margin

when u need a dps AND a healer because u're alone are useless, also means that you work? shield feats and natural fighting are the worst thing that any1 can do to a druid, is wasting 5 feats

unless they add some weapon and shields ONLY for druid and make em strong, s&b won't be subpar, will be sub-path (y, the paths when creating )

helf got a nerf? dunno, idc, for me was useless before, keeps being useless now, is the non-umd race, which...is a bad choice

[Rush007]

Use an orb if you're a caster or wraps if an animal, you'll be farther ahead that way. It wouldn't hurt them to do as you say, but there is plenty of good gear for druids besides the wow.

You lose a slot and when you do what I do which is everything its a big deal. It shouldn't be hard or rare to have a selection of wooden shields. It is just a material type.

[Charononus]

You lose a slot and when you do what I do which is everything its a big deal. It shouldn't be hard or rare to have a selection of wooden shields. It is just a material type.

you realise that with ddo it's all or nothing and trying to do everything means you are just bad at everything and good at nothing with how things scale up right? It's not pnp.

[Rush007]

you are just bad at everything and good at nothing

That is a pure druid in a nutshell. 80% cleric, fighter, wizard. They will never reach what those classes can do. Those classes can't do all the things druids can do.

Suggesting to LR for something that seems to be an oversight in the loot department which can be easily fixed seems asinine.

[Charononus]

That is a pure druid in a nutshell. 80% cleric, fighter, wizard. They will never reach what those classes can do. Those classes can't do all the things druids can do.

Suggesting to LR for something that seems to be an oversight in the loot department which can be easily fixed seems asinine.

Sure you can fight and heal or dc cast and heal, you can keep healing ok but try to make yourself melee and cast and instead of doing 80% of what one of those other classes can do you end up at 0.80% of what one of those other classes can do.

[Rush007]

Sure you can fight and heal or dc cast and heal, you can keep healing ok but try to make yourself melee and cast and instead of doing 80% of what one of those other classes can do you end up at 0.80% of what one of those other classes can do.

It's hard no doubt but doable. Hot's and dot's are fire and go, same with AOE's. Plenty of time for melee which is supplemental for mana and effects. It is an unfamiliar playstyle for ddo because this is the only class that can do it. Everyone has learned to only do one or the other, not multitasking different roles depending on the situation every second.

[Charononus]

It's hard no doubt but doable. Hot's and dot's are fire and go, same with AOE's. Plenty of time for melee which is supplemental for mana and effects. It is an unfamiliar playstyle for ddo because this is the only class that can do it. Everyone has learned to only do one or the other, not multitasking different roles depending on the situation every second.

It's not hard, it's extremely gimp. End of story you will not have the dps. Go run the old dps challenge with sobrien on eh which is actually easier than old epic was. Your times will be pathetic in comparison with real dps either melee or caster.

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I'd say to do it on ee but I think sobrien would win.

[Rush007]

It's not hard, it's extremely gimp. End of story you will not have the dps. Go run the old dps challenge with sobrien on eh which is actually easier than old epic was. Your times will be pathetic in comparison with real dps either melee or caster.

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I'd say to do it on ee but I think sobrien would win.

First try on EH was 22 seconds.

[Rush007]

First try on EH was 22 seconds.

No boosts, no ship buffs, no pet, no outside spells (haste, gh), self spelled, no pre AOE's

[Charononus]

First try on EH was 22 seconds.

Now consider old epic had 2x the hp and people were doing it in about 1 -2 mins with no epic destiny, no deadly, 7 str max, no oc. That time is awful. A real dps now can have him dead in under 10secs on eh.

[Rush007]

There any videos, I can only find manyshot fury cheese.