buff Wraith form

[cccddd]

imo wraith form is the coolest looking thing in ddo, but not many pm use once they get lich. there are things that can make wraith form a lot more useful but still would not take the fire power spot light from lich.

here is my idea:

instead of (+20 bonus to the Move Silently/Balance skills and Ghost Touch)

give (knock down immunity)


for Improved Shrouding:

instead of (+2 Dexterity and + 10% Miss Chance)

give (+5% miss chance and +10% moment speed)



its stupid to see wraith get knockdown by things like grease when they not even touching the ground. the in game monster wraith cant be knock down at all. these change will make wraith a lot more useful going in and out of bad places but still should do most of the fighting to lich form.

[Failedlegend]

No Don't touch wraith form its perfect the way it is I use all those abilities your trying to change

100% /NOT signed

Unless the want to ADD knockdown immunity w/o changing anything else...thats ok

[Charononus]

Wraith form is fine the way it is.

[redspecter23]

If they wanted to add knockdown immunity, I'd be ok with that, maybe an enhancement that does such.

They should NEVER nerf an ability that isn't overpowered. It only makes people angry without actually accomplishing anything balancing. It's all negative with no upsides.

You might not like that move silently bonus but to suggest they just take it away without considering that others might actually use it would be a very, very poor design decision. Designers that make decisions like this will quickly find that players lose trust in the system long term and for an MMO long term trust and stability is a key element to player retention. If unnecessary changes can occur at any time for no reason whatsoever, why invest any time at all in your character? Why grind months for a +1 when they can strip away +20 in a heartbeat for no reason and with no reason ever given. You are left to think that devs use a dartboard when making changes to the game.

Now I can understand changes that involve fixing broken abilities and nerfing overpowered ones, but I've never understood "change for the sake of change" abilities.

What you want might be accomplished better simply by adding another similar but different shroud. Might I suggest Shroud of the Ghost or Shroud of the Spectre?

[cccddd]

No Don't touch wraith form its perfect the way it is I use all those abilities your trying to change

100% /NOT signed

Unless the want to ADD knockdown immunity w/o changing anything else...thats ok

w/o changing anything else? you wouldt even need the +20 balence anymore if knockdown immunity is added.

[Iaga]

... If unnecessary changes can occur at any time for no reason whatsoever, why invest any time at all in your character? Why grind months for a +1 when they can strip away +20 in a heartbeat for no reason and with no reason ever given.....

Yup, i mean, if they ever did something like that in DDO the player base would be up in arms!

[cccddd]

If they wanted to add knockdown immunity, I'd be ok with that, maybe an enhancement that does such.

They should NEVER nerf an ability that isn't overpowered. It only makes people angry without actually accomplishing anything balancing. It's all negative with no upsides.

You might not like that move silently bonus but to suggest they just take it away without considering that others might actually use it would be a very, very poor design decision. Designers that make decisions like this will quickly find that players lose trust in the system long term and for an MMO long term trust and stability is a key element to player retention. If unnecessary changes can occur at any time for no reason whatsoever, why invest any time at all in your character? Why grind months for a +1 when they can strip away +20 in a heartbeat for no reason and with no reason ever given. You are left to think that devs use a dartboard when making changes to the game.

Now I can understand changes that involve fixing broken abilities and nerfing overpowered ones, but I've never understood "change for the sake of change" abilities.

What you want might be accomplished better simply by adding another similar but different shroud. Might I suggest Shroud of the Ghost or Shroud of the Spectre?

its not like i want nerf it, i want to buff it lol. its just i dont think they will add knockdown immunity without "balancing" it somehow. even for those who like the +20 move silently bonus would take knockdown immunity in a trade no? anyway i just thought it would make seance for wrath to have knockdown immunity and move faster thats all.

[Failedlegend]

w/o changing anything else? you wouldt even need the +20 balence anymore if knockdown immunity is added.

Knockdown immunity does not cover everything that balance is used for. ie. The Titan raid Knockdown immunity does diddly.

even for those who like the +20 move silently bonus would take knockdown immunity in a trade no?

No I wouldn't take it in trade I LOVE that they get +20 move silently mix that with an at-level MS item and the Invis spell and you've got a great sneaker...even better if your a Wiz18/Rogue2 and can actually put points into move silently.

Also I see no lore reason for wraiths to move faster nor nerf the incorporeal ability from improved shrouding

[cccddd]

Knockdown immunity does not cover everything that balance is used for. ie. The Titan raid Knockdown immunity does diddly.

it covers it enough to make it pretty useless.

[cccddd]

Also I see no lore reason for wraiths to move faster nor nerf the incorporeal ability from improved shrouding

in pnp wraiths have 60 ft. fly speed and improved initiative, the monster wraiths also moves really fast so that very good lore reason for wraiths to move faster. and i already said i dont really wish ANY nerf, just didt think it will get any buff without some kind of proposed traded off.

[sephiroth1084]

I'll say that I was always rather surprised at Wratih form's lack of both faster movement and knockdown immunity. It really should have at least one of these, although I agree that it shouldn't lose the other stuff it has. Trading Balance for Knockdown immunity seems like a good trade; however, and makes more sense thematically.

[richieelias27]

Wraith is pretty spot-on the way it is.

Yes, it would be nice thematically if Wraith were immune to knockdown. Also would be nice if it could pass through enemies. Speed boost would be technically correct as well. But honestly, any one of those things would make it beyond uber.

Vampire is the one that needs buffing. Well, not even buffing really... What it needs is any sort of purpose at all.

[bsquishwizzy]

I’m with the people who say “don’t touch Wraith form.” As it is, it is very powerful and making it even more powerful will unbalance the system. Even now, Wraith is the target for many PM-based melee toons as of the numerous advantages it presents.

And knockdown immunity? Worthless.

Movement increases can easily be gotten by gear, and one of the big selling points on Wraith form is that 10% miss chance. Cripes, with the post U19 loot, you’d have to do some real searching to NOT find a +30% striding item – I’m getting +20% striding items as random loot down around level 6 and 7. You knock that down the miss chance percentage, and die-hards of this game will most likely be looking to hang your scalp on their wall (figuratively speaking, of course).

It doesn’t need any modification at all.