Druid Shields

[Tuney]

I know I wish there were more shields for my Druid wolf. It is annoying to have such a limited choice on named shields that can only really pick between Wall of wood , Madstone or Alchemic. Sometimes it isn't always 'just about dps' it is how how well you can survive in combat while dealing out your damage. At least I'm not limited on what I can use in my main hand , that would just suck.

[Deathbrings]

There is a difference between being able to cap a toon and having a toon be strong. The dps of a pure s&b druid will be far less than a monk splashed druid. It's even worse since u19 as animal form druids don't get universal spell power or focused elemental spwr to help their dps spells. So their melee dps is less than a monk splash and they cast very low powered spell dps compared to a caster druid. They don't have the feats to dc cast like a caster druid after they take their shield feats and natural fighting so they don't have the dc's of a caster druid. What makes a pure animal form druid strong? Yes a good player can take a gimp toon and contribute but it doesn't change the fact that the build was gimped.

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I also didn't say I was against making more wooden shields, my exact words were that it wouldn't hurt. However I do think that using a shield instead of an orb or wraps on a druid depending on build is a very sub-optimal choice.

I realize you didn't say you were against it. I should have segmented it so it looked more like an aside. my bad >.<. I also agree the dps will be less. But if he isn't going straight for dps, then it is still viable. I'm not saying it is optimal, but the glory of this game is you can still have fun with suboptimal builds.

[Rush007]

Now consider old epic had 2x the hp and people were doing it in about 1 -2 mins with no epic destiny, no deadly, 7 str max, no oc. That time is awful. A real dps now can have him dead in under 10secs on eh.

Old version of him had 69000 hp. So 34500 hp on EH which seems about right. 34500/10 is 3450 dps per second. Melee accomplish this? Talking monks, barbs, fighters non manyshot. Everyone knows many shot is over powered. Doubtful they can sustain that, more a testament to burst abilities than actual sustained dps.

[Charononus]

Old version of him had 69000 hp. So 34500 hp on EH which seems about right. 34500/10 is 3450 dps per second. Melee accomplish this? Talking monks, barbs, fighters non manyshot. Everyone knows many shot is over powered. Doubtful they can sustain that, more a testament to burst abilities than actual sustained dps.

High str high crit multi epic moment from fotw or in a longer quest setting blitz yeah. Manyshot is the easy way to get that high but it's by no means the only way, and at the same gear levels manyshot gets even higher.

This is from a blitz but it shows the numbers real dps get with ed's

Critical hit record with 10 stacks of blitz self buffed:
(Combat): You hit Cloven-Jaw Scout for 18,388 points of slash damage.

from:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...of-a-challenge

That's a single hit, now yes you won't be blitzing in there so you're going to be using fotw for the epic moment most likely which will probably half that but getting 1/4 the mobs health in a single swing rather than 1/2, you're going to hit those marks.

[Rush007]

High str high crit multi epic moment from fotw or in a longer quest setting blitz yeah. Manyshot is the easy way to get that high but it's by no means the only way, and at the same gear levels manyshot gets even higher.

This is from a blitz but it shows the numbers real dps get with ed's

Critical hit record with 10 stacks of blitz self buffed:
(Combat): You hit Cloven-Jaw Scout for 18,388 points of slash damage.

from:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...of-a-challenge

That's a single hit, now yes you won't be blitzing in there so you're going to be using fotw for the epic moment most likely which will probably half that but getting 1/4 the mobs health in a single swing rather than 1/2, you're going to hit those marks.

So the 10 second sobrien as a melee then isn't possible then without a running blitz or epic moment fury of the wild. (or manyshot!) Which isn't possible because hes at the beginning of the quest. So it was a bit overstated.

I thought 22 second time wasn't too bad because it was sustainable. Mostly spell damage but I could keep that up for a good while with the wolf form mana procs. 34500/22 is 1568 dps non gimmick and even in avatar of nature. If I wanted to cheat, dropping an ice storm and storm of vengeance ramps this more for little cost.

If you run the numbers, natural fighting on pure druids is very very questionable. A whole 13 dps per feat? Its bad because of the non scaling base. I believe just having empower and maximize on the sla creeping cold added 12 dps. Per cast. You can recast this what 4 times in a minute? Apply this to your other sla's and spells and it isn't even a contest. I found trying to fix melee on a pure druid too intensive for the feat costs for too little gain.

[Charononus]

So the 10 second sobrien as a melee then isn't possible then without a running blitz or epic moment fury of the wild. (or manyshot!) Which isn't possible because hes at the beginning of the quest. So it was a bit overstated.
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blitz isn't fotw is. You can charge outside a quest and walk in with a full epic moment. Blitz you could but you'd only have the initial stack.

[Rush007]

blitz isn't fotw is. You can charge outside a quest and walk in with a full epic moment. Blitz you could but you'd only have the initial stack.

Pretty shady way of doing things imo. Still without doing that the 10 second mark is not achievable. Numbers do not support it.

[Charononus]

Pretty shady way of doing things imo. Still without doing that the 10 second mark is not achievable. Numbers do not support it.

It's pretty much sop. But as it's suppossed to imitate a boss beat down are you honestly saying you'd dps a boss without clicking your epic moment in content that matters?

[Rush007]

It's pretty much sop. But as it's suppossed to imitate a boss beat down are you honestly saying you'd dps a boss without clicking your epic moment in content that matters?

Sure, when applicable. Fury you'd have to gimmick in and blitz wasn't possible. I wouldn't call that applicable. Just calling you out on making it sound like any melee could waltz up to sobrien and down him in 10 seconds.

[Charononus]

Sure, when applicable. Fury you'd have to gimmick in and blitz wasn't possible. I wouldn't call that applicable. Just calling you out on making it sound like any melee could waltz up to sobrien and down him in 10 seconds.

Any melee can charge up fotw's epic moment and go to town on him. You can't blitz but since dps should be in ld or fotw or maybe pa but that was nerfed hard I'd say 100% valid.

[Rush007]

Any melee can charge up fotw's epic moment and go to town on him. You can't blitz but since dps should be in ld or fotw or maybe pa but that was nerfed hard I'd say 100% valid.

What would be a real time without using fury?