Elf TWF Warchanter

[muless]

Just got back to the game and looking at all the new enhancement options. I'm really not a stand back and support or shoot player. I like to displace/haste/song and go in swinging, I do pop mass heals from time to time. So here's the build, let me know if you see any horrible flaws and such.

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Hawtness 
Level 20 Neutral Good Elf Female
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 220
Spell Points: 612 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 16
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    28
Dexterity            15                    19
Constitution         14                    18
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             12                    14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    22
Bluff                 1                     2
Concentration         6                    27
Diplomacy             1                     2
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                5                    25
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate            1                     2
Jump                  5                    27
Listen               -1                     2
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               5                    25
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     2
Spellcraft           -1                     0
Spot                 -1                     2
Swim                  n/a                   n/a
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      5                    25

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 2 (Bard)


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Bard)


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Bard)


Level 8 (Bard)


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Bard)


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Bard)


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Bard)


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Valenar Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Arcane Fluidity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Arcane Fluidity (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Elf - Valenar Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Valenar Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Valenar Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Skill (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spellsinger (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Musical Studies (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Musical Studies (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Musical Studies (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Flicker (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Flicker (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Flicker (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Skaldic Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Fighting Spirit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Song of Heroism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Fighting Spirit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Victory Song (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Warmaster (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Rough and Ready (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Rough and Ready (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Rough and Ready (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Boast (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Boast (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Boast (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Words of Encouragement (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Iced Edges (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Gathering Cold (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Gathering Cold (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Gathering Cold (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Ironskin Chant (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Ironskin Chant (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Ironskin Chant (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Frozen Fury (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Frozen Fury (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Frozen Fury (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Northwind (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Northwind (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Northwind (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspire Recklessness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspire Recklessness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspire Recklessness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Armorer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Howl of the North (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Weapon Training (Rank 1)

[goodspeed]

if you wanted to be more aggressive while whipping spells and songs I don't think you should go pure bard. The main reason for stacking all those levels is mostly to be the ccer/ buffer. I mean, for example at the very least id take a lv of fighter for the 30% haste boost. That and 2 weapon fighting requires the extra feats, basically your building something that isn't right for it.

The cutoff for usefull self gain in levels and song to the bard compared to other things gained in compensation is about lv 14. After that your going on into bard levels for 2 reasons. Your gonna give the group a couple extra dmg and hit and...well basically stuff they should have from a vender. Or, your going full spell singer and you want to be a cc.

If you just want the perks like displace and rage, and haste and dmg and reckless songs, cut it off and take something like fighter or ranger or something. Those extra bard levels aren't helping you toward your 2 weapon fighting/casting singing goal.

[unbongwah]

I don't see any problems per se, but for a melee-focused bard, I'd prefer to multiclass. One possible combo under the new system I like is rog 2 / rgr 3 / bard 15. The rog splash adds Evasion, up to 3D6 SA, & trap skills; rgr 3 adds 3 feats, +10% offhand procs, and a bit more SA & Pos Spellpower from DWS. With 12 feats total (7 heroic, 3 epic, and 2 ED), you can take: Power Atk, ITWF, IC:Pierce, GTWF, PBS, Manyshot, Inspire Excellence, PTWF, and Lasting Inspiration; that leaves 3 feats free to play around with (e.g., metamagics, Prec Shot+IPS, CL/GC/OC, etc.). The main drawbacks are giving up lvl 6 spells and backloading your bard lvls.

[muless]

How bout the cleric splash for divine might? Worth it? So really going 14 bard is the max useful song level. Ranger for the TWF feats and 10% proc for off hand or fighter..... I'll noodle it and post another potential build. Gonna use the + 20 lesser thingy wed night. Thanks for responses!

[supott]

extend, while nice to have is really not necessary considering how feat starved bards are
Oversized TWF is also not needed, as ive not taken it in my last 3 TWF lives with no problems, especially if u plan to Go STR..

I am doing a pure bard now TWF. If you go Pure Bard TWF and go 16 Cha with Level ups, you can still get good CC and good DPS.

I like Spellsinger more than Warchanter mostly becoz of Spellsong vigor. I don't find the DPS boost of Warchanter that great.. But that is just my personal preference atm.

3 Ranger / 2 Rogue / 15 Bard sounds nice, 12 Bard 6 ranger 2 Rogue works too.

18 Bard / 2 Cleric sounds awesome too, would work better with Wiz past life/s, but since Capstone gives Wail, 20 vs 18 / 2 Cleric is also a tough choice..

I would go human of course for the extra feat, unless maybe if planning to be Arcane Archer.

I do really like TWF on a Bard though.. I think the enhancements and Fatesinger has more synergy with TWF.

1 power attack spell focus enchantment
3 twf
6 itwf
9 gtwf
12 Spell Pen
15 Quicken
18 i.c. slash/pierce
21 epic Spell Pen
24 inspire excellence
28 heighten


These are my feats except I am taking Toughness/Epic Toughness for Spell Pen/Epic Spell Pen & Arcane Initiate for SF Enchant becoz i have 2 Wiz past lives for +4 Spell Pen

I think its also a lot nicer now becoz Epic Spell Pen is +4 so 2 feats for 6 total, not bad and it is more doable now to do TWF Pure Bard.

[unbongwah]

So really going 14 bard is the max useful song level.

Bard 15 gets you Inspire Heroics, which in turn lets you take Inspire Excellence; both are good enough to be worth having if you plan to take that many bard lvls, IMHO.

[muless]

Bard 15 gets you Inspire Heroics, which in turn lets you take Inspire Excellence; both are good enough to be worth having if you plan to take that many bard lvls, IMHO.

Yeah I saw that too. Here is a revised version with rogue/evasion and Tempest ranger enhancements for TWF.

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RoRaBard 
Level 20 Chaotic Good Elf Female
(2 Rogue \ 3 Ranger \ 15 Bard) 
Hit Points: 226
Spell Points: 509 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 19
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    28
Dexterity            15                    19
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             12                    14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 4
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 4
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 4
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 4
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 4
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    20
Bluff                 1                     2
Concentration         2                    26
Diplomacy             5                     6
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                5                    25
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate            1                     2
Jump                  7                    25
Listen               -1                     2
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                  25
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     2
Spellcraft           -1                     0
Spot                  3                     6
Swim                  n/a                   n/a
Tumble                6                     8
Use Magic Device      5                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Bard)
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Spell (1): Grease


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Spell (1): Remove Fear


Level 7 (Bard)
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (2): Rage


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Spell (2): Invisibility
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (3): Haste


Level 13 (Bard)
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Spell (3): Crushing Despair
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (4): Otto's Sphere of Dancing


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Cure Light Wounds, Mass


Level 19 (Bard)
Spell (5): Mind Fog


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Valenar Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Valenar Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Arcanum (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Valenar Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Valenar Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Skill (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Skaldic Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Fighting Spirit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Song of Heroism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Fighting Spirit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Rough and Ready (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Rough and Ready (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Rough and Ready (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Boast (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Boast (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Boast (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Iced Edges (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Gathering Cold (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Gathering Cold (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Gathering Cold (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Ironskin Chant (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Ironskin Chant (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Ironskin Chant (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Northwind (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Northwind (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Northwind (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspire Recklessness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspire Recklessness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspire Recklessness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Strength (Rank 1)