The classic evasio barb?

[Micki]

Ok, so now I would like to TR my 2nd life monk into a barbarian for the barbarian past life. I have never played a barb before, and since my main is a cleric, I have come to hate barbs. No other class requires as much babysitting and is as much of a mana sponge as the barb. Because of that, I would like my barb to have evasion and be self healing. I've never built or played a barb before, so I can't claim to have clue of what I'm doing. I quickly threw together a build with the outdated planner, and here's my idea. If you have suggestions on a different multiclass, or different feats, etc, I'd gladly hear it.

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Maidae 
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Female
(18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 348
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 11
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity            12                    15
Constitution         18                    21
Intelligence          8                    11
Wisdom                8                    11
Charisma              8                    11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    25
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         6                     9
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  1                     2
Intimidate            3                     7
Jump                  8                    26
Listen                3                     4
Move Silently         1                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  3                     4
Swim                  4                     8
Tumble                2                     3
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+3)
Skill: Jump (+2)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Hamstring


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Thank you.

P.S. Even though I want the barb life for PL, I will most likely flag her for CitW and FoT before TR.

[xMund]

Ok, so now I would like to TR my 2nd life monk into a barbarian for the barbarian past life. I have never played a barb before, and since my main is a cleric, I have come to hate barbs. No other class requires as much babysitting and is as much of a mana sponge as the barb. Because of that, I would like my barb to have evasion and be self healing. I've never built or played a barb before, so I can't claim to have clue of what I'm doing. I quickly threw together a build with the outdated planner, and here's my idea. If you have suggestions on a different multiclass, or different feats, etc, I'd gladly hear it.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01
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Maidae 
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 348
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 11
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity            12                    15
Constitution         18                    21
Intelligence          8                    11
Wisdom                8                    11
Charisma              8                    11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    25
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         6                     9
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  1                     2
Intimidate            3                     7
Jump                  8                    26
Listen                3                     4
Move Silently         1                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  3                     4
Swim                  4                     8
Tumble                2                     3
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+3)
Skill: Jump (+2)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Hamstring


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Thank you.

P.S. Even though I want the barb life for PL, I will most likely flag her for CitW and FoT before TR.

I am just finishing a Barbarian life with a very similar build, only I opted for trapping skills instead of UMD. If I had to do it again, I would probably go the UMD route too. Please share your experiences with this as you move forward .

There are two things with your feat selection I would do differently. First and foremost I would move up Improved Critical. Level 15 is very late, and Imp. Crit. really does a lot for your damage output. I would probably take it at lvl 9 and move the THF feats down.
Second thing is Hamstring. I think Imp Trip or Stunning Blow would do more for you, but that is more of a preference thing I guess .

Regarding gearing, you have to be very watchful of your defenses. You can maintain a reasonable ref-save, but it will take some work. The new Riposte VIII bracers at lvl 15 made a world of difference to me. Try to keep blurry and updated dodge items, and you should be alright. At some point you might be getting better defenses overall by swapping from light to cloth armor, to get your dodge up.

I had a ton of fun with mine, and I am sure you will with yours too . Enjoy!

[jskinner937]

You could always go 9 barbarian / 9 arty / 2 rogue and use repeaters and good umd. This was the easiest self healing barb life I ever did.

[Micki]

You could always go 9 barbarian / 9 arty / 2 rogue and use repeaters and good umd. This was the easiest self healing barb life I ever did.

I will keep that in mind. I've yet to play a bow/ crossbow toon as well. (basically I enjoy end game a lot, so I don't TR much). I don't think I want to do that with my 1st barb, though. But it's an idea.

[Micki]

I am just finishing a Barbarian life with a very similar build, only I opted for trapping skills instead of UMD. If I had to do it again, I would probably go the UMD route too. Please share your experiences with this as you move forward .

There are two things with your feat selection I would do differently. First and foremost I would move up Improved Critical. Level 15 is very late, and Imp. Crit. really does a lot for your damage output. I would probably take it at lvl 9 and move the THF feats down.
Second thing is Hamstring. I think Imp Trip or Stunning Blow would do more for you, but that is more of a preference thing I guess .

Regarding gearing, you have to be very watchful of your defenses. You can maintain a reasonable ref-save, but it will take some work. The new Riposte VIII bracers at lvl 15 made a world of difference to me. Try to keep blurry and updated dodge items, and you should be alright. At some point you might be getting better defenses overall by swapping from light to cloth armor, to get your dodge up.

I had a ton of fun with mine, and I am sure you will with yours too . Enjoy!

thank you for your advice. I will have another look at my build and feat selections. And yes, I think getting my ref save high enough to matter will be a bit tricky maybe.

On the blur thing, my toon has perma blur on her gs hp goggles. I also have the mabar cloak lvl 4, 12 and 16.

[psykopeta]

with ur 2 int & cha tome

dump whatever, raise int and cha to 14, this way u'll be always maxing search and disable device (and have a higher chance with cha skills,umd mostly)

from 7 and further put the 0,5 skill points in UMD

take 2nd rogue lvl at lvl 13, put lots a points in UMD (after the 1 in search and dd) this way ur search and disable will be at 17, and UMD at 16,5

get some +6 cha item, and 2 items 1 with some equipment bonus to cha skills/umd and other with some enhancement bonus to cha/umd skills and from 13 and further will have almost no fail on heal scrolls

that is much more useful than having evade at 7 or a bit more str/con base

btw 18 barb-2 rogue > 9-9-2 whatever unless u go wf and use spells, only via survivability-thanks-to-spells u would compensate the loss of dps (however the life will take much more to finish than the brute way)

if you're worried about the traps in von5 don't worry, i use to skip it every life, not gonna sit waiting for hours to get 50k when in same time can get more

to push ur reflex get a parasitic breastplate and craft uncanny awareness on it, don't waste points/feats on reflex/dex, u have uncanny dodge and gh to push ur reflex (however the 2 rogue's aren't for evade mainly, are for the skills) out of reflex you'll only get ac from dex

[Micki]

with ur 2 int & cha tome

dump whatever, raise int and cha to 14, this way u'll be always maxing search and disable device (and have a higher chance with cha skills,umd mostly)

from 7 and further put the 0,5 skill points in UMD

take 2nd rogue lvl at lvl 13, put lots a points in UMD (after the 1 in search and dd) this way ur search and disable will be at 17, and UMD at 16,5

get some +6 cha item, and 2 items 1 with some equipment bonus to cha skills/umd and other with some enhancement bonus to cha/umd skills and from 13 and further will have almost no fail on heal scrolls

that is much more useful than having evade at 7 or a bit more str/con base

btw 18 barb-2 rogue > 9-9-2 whatever unless u go wf and use spells, only via survivability-thanks-to-spells u would compensate the loss of dps (however the life will take much more to finish than the brute way)

if you're worried about the traps in von5 don't worry, i use to skip it every life, not gonna sit waiting for hours to get 50k when in same time can get more

to push ur reflex get a parasitic breastplate and craft uncanny awareness on it, don't waste points/feats on reflex/dex, u have uncanny dodge and gh to push ur reflex (however the 2 rogue's aren't for evade mainly, are for the skills) out of reflex you'll only get ac from dex

Than you for your reply. I think you're missing what kind of toon I'm trying to build. I want:
1. dps
2. survivability and self healing.

I don't plan to do traps at all, if you look at my build plan you see that I didn't put any skill points in dd or search. I have a trapper wizard that I do traps with, this guy is just gonna be dps, not traps. And von5? I don't usually run von5 til epic level, for a lovely first time bonus.

Also, I may note that I hate soloing. I either join lfm's, friends, or put up my own lfm. I will starts solo, as I don't like waiting either, but usually someone joins me before I finish.

[Micki]

Ok, rearranged the feats a bit, sticking to my first idea of 18str-12dex-18con human

As I understand it, umd for healing will be less valuable on the higher levels when you will be raged all the time. But, it's still usable for self buffing etc.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01
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Maidae 
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Female
(18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 348
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 11
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    25
Dexterity            12                    14
Constitution         18                    20
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    25
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         6                    10
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  1                     2
Intimidate            3                     4
Jump                  8                    24
Listen                3                     4
Move Silently         1                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search                2                     3
Spot                  3                     4
Swim                  4                     7
Tumble                2                     3
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

[ycheese123]

I have come to hate barbs.