Protect Protection

[BFD20001]

Sorry but Protection is junk.

Saying it does not make it so…

It is not the best, it not great... it is one of the worst, if not THE worst PRE in the game.

Much like a Tank, Prot does not have to even be good in most content providing it has at least some use somewhere. For defensive melees and melee casters, Protection is better than War Priest.

Your big argument in favor of protection is USP.. really? No one in their right mind would waste points in this tree picking up a bunch of junk abilities just for USP.

It is one of the best features of Protection, especially for Clerics. While people may not waste AP on junk abilities in Protection merely for USP, it is certainly possible they are spending AP on Protection’s unique abilities in order to increase USP. Indeed no one typically tries to waste any AP to begin with. Not to mention my big argument for Protection is actually that it exists so why artificially limit choice by removing something that already exists and is working?!?!?

Also reasons why it should not co-exist:
1. Overlapping abilities
Divine Might, toughness, sanctuary etc exist in warpriest. This causes overlapping and confusion: do they stack? Can I abuse taking toughness in in both trees? etc.

2. More junk abilities to maintain, more bugs
Having to maintain a whole tree of useless abilities that can be broken with each update. Results in more complaints, grievances, etc.

1. Many of these are CAUSED by War Priest, far more an argument that WP should not exist. The entire game can be confusing, again hardly an actual argument. Multiple Divine Mights already exist as well; technically they could be activated at the same time, but that has since been changed. Multiple toughness is WAI: they CAN be taken and they DO stack. Otherwise standard stacking rules apply: multiple like bonuses do NOT stack.

2. Every PrE has junk abilities and most trees have some bugs. War Priest has a number of bugs and is a whole other tree of abilities that could be broken with each update… Try again?

Sorry this tree is just garbage, just flip warpriest to give USP/point and pretend this tree never existed.

Protection is not great, but it is not garbage. Giving War Priest USP would go a long way to improve WP, but Prot still has unique features that WP lacks.

[guardianx2009]

Much like a Tank, Prot does not have to even be good in most content providing it has at least some use somewhere. For defensive melees and melee casters, Protection is better than War Priest.

No offense but if your tank is built based on this tree.. your tank is probably steaming pile of...

It is one of the best features of Protection, especially for Clerics. While people may not waste AP on junk abilities in Protection merely for USP, it is certainly possible they are spending AP on Protection’s unique abilities in order to increase USP. Indeed no one typically tries to waste any AP to begin with. Not to mention my big argument for Protection is actually that it exists so why artificially limit choice by removing something that already exists and is working?!?!?

The fact that USP is one of best features of this tree tells you how bad it is. Lets assume you gimp yourself by spending a whopping 40AP in this tree. You invested 40AP for a bunch of 'unique' useless abilities and 30USP..

1. Many of these are CAUSED by War Priest, far more an argument that WP should not exist. The entire game can be confusing, again hardly an actual argument. Multiple Divine Mights already exist as well; technically they could be activated at the same time, but that has since been changed. Multiple toughness is WAI: they CAN be taken and they DO stack. Otherwise standard stacking rules apply: multiple like bonuses do NOT stack.

It's because they salvaged the few redeeming qualities from that tree.

2. Every PrE has junk abilities and most trees have some bugs. War Priest has a number of bugs and is a whole other tree of abilities that could be broken with each update… Try again?

There is far more interest in WP than this sad excuse of a tree. From a dev/qa perspective it is a waste of time maintaining useless tree.

Protection is not great, but it is not garbage. Giving War Priest USP would go a long way to improve WP, but Prot still has unique features that WP lacks.

Yes... the unique features that you are talking about are junk features that no one wants.

[BFD20001]

No offense but if your tank is built based on this tree.. your tank is probably steaming pile of...

Comprehension is clearly not your strong suite… I did not say that I had a tank based upon Protection (although one most definitely could have built a successful tank around Prot had they wanted), I said that the relationship between War Priest and Protection was the same as the relationship between the DPS role and the tank role.

It's because they salvaged the few redeeming qualities from that tree.

Oh, so Protection does/did have some redeeming qualities… how interesting the cognitive dissonance you must have to recognize this but be able to ignore it when convenient.

The fact that USP is one of best features of this tree tells you how bad it is. Lets assume you gimp yourself by spending a whopping 40AP in this tree. You invested 40AP for a bunch of 'unique' useless abilities and 30USP..

As we have already proven that not all of Prot’s abilities are useless, continuing to advocate that stance belies that War Priest has useless abilities as well. Prot’s USP greatly trumps WP’s Fire & Light. Since both have junk abilities and both have good abilities why would you not want USP instead of Light/Fire?

There is far more interest in WP than this sad excuse of a tree. From a dev/qa perspective it is a waste of time maintaining useless tree.

There is always greater interesting in something that is coming than what we already have. That said, yes War Priest is pretty good even if it still suffers from the typical turbine systemic problems.

Ignoring that you already conceded that Prot was useful, since the Protection tree ALREADY exists and functions the only time wasted was deliberately removing it. Leaving Prot alone would have required NO TIME WHATSOEVER.

Yes... the unique features that you are talking about are junk features that no one wants.

You yourself just said otherwise, but it bears repeating not all the features in Protection were junk. Some of the Prot abilities were incredibly useful when used properly, not to mention that Prot included SLAs and supported casting/melee hybrids much better than WP. Indeed many people indicated they too wanted Prot saved for those very reasons and have lamented its sad passing.

Look we get that you have no interest in Protection; that is fine – no one is forcing you to use Prot if it existed. But why are you so afraid of us having Protection too? It need not be a zero sum event; we could have both ‘won’ and been happy. Now some of us are not, and there is no good reason for that.

[Charononus]

It's gone and dead and I dance on it's grave.

[BFD20001]

It's gone and dead and I dance on it's grave.

Says pretty much all we need to know about you...