Sorc Elemental Form???

[Catteras]

I saw in another post in this forum people referring to a sorc Water Elemental form. What in the world is this? The only references to elemental forms I can find are about druids. I don't see anything in enhancements or class description for sorcs...

This is the thread where they are talking about it:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...Earth-end-game

[Sierim]

Each of the sorcerer savants has an elemental form as part of its capstone (Core Abilities, minimum level 20 sorcerer, 40 points spent in tree). Here's an example summary from the wiki.



Icon Enhancement Elemental Apotheosis Earth
Elemental Apotheosis: Earth: Activate this ability to transform into an Earth Elemental.

While in elemental form, you gain +100% fortification. If you are a Warforged, you are no longer considered a Living Construct, and so are immune to Repair spells, but can be healed normally by Positive Energy spells.

While in Earth Elemental form, you also gain an additional +20 Acid Spell Power, +2% Acid Spell Critical Chance, and a +1 bonus to caster level and max caster level for Acid and Earth spells, but your air, fire, and water spells have a -3 penalty to caster level and max caster level. You also gain a +10 racial bonus to acid resistance, +25 Physical Resistance Rating, and a -10 penalty to electrical resistance. While in Elemental Form, your spells also cost an additional 10% Spell Points to cast.




The other savant elemental forms get similar benefits and penalties.

[JOTMON]

If you are a Warforged, you are no longer considered a Living Construct, and so are immune to Repair spells, but can be healed normally by Positive Energy spells.

.. Found this out the hard way,..All the forms screw WF over
The Devs decided to sneak in the nuance of conveting WF into fleshy form...

This is all very similar to the Pale Master... in form, cant repair... ??? isnt dead wood still wood... and yet a dead PM can still be poisoned...
Elemental's are immune to poison and dont breath... did those traits carry over to the Sorc... no...

All this was is some back door method for the Dev's to further penalize WF Sorc's.
the +20 LR doesnt address the screwover to WF and allow race changes...

[mezzorco]

the +20 LR doesnt address the screwover to WF and allow race changes...

Hey, it's a toggle, toggle it off and repair yourself. Or, better, don't toggle it on.

[Wizza]

Elemental's are immune to poison and dont breath... did those traits carry over to the Sorc... no...

They actually got the immunity to poison.

Hey, it's a toggle, toggle it off and repair yourself. Or, better, don't toggle it on.

Wasting 50 sp every time to just repair is not an option.

[kned225]

Hey, it's a toggle, toggle it off and repair yourself. Or, better, don't toggle it on.

This is the answer. I simply dont use the meh elemental form. I find the benefits of a quickened 700hp reconstruct far outweigh the form

And the capstone still gives +2 cha, +1cl/mcl, +10spl pwr to your chosen element out of form

For my money, u still cant beat the huge hps and healing of a wf

[Saravis]

the +20 LR doesnt address the screwover to WF and allow race changes...

What would you even change to? Sorcs don't have wand/scroll mastery, so fleshy healing has been nerfed.

[darthhento]

What would you even change to? Sorcs don't have wand/scroll mastery, so fleshy healing has been nerfed.

Two words: Twist Cocoon

[JOTMON]

What would you even change to? Sorcs don't have wand/scroll mastery, so fleshy healing has been nerfed.

Something that doesnt get -2CHA and has to choose between heal amp or repair amp and can actually maintain full benefit from being in stance... hence.. any other race.

For the most part WF is fine for levelling and TR lives, the endgame penalties are what screw WF...

WF can take poison/disease/stat damage that isnt repairable.. needs healing or restoration...
WF PRR still isnt right.
WF now have to chosse between repair amp and heal amp
Sorc's no longer have wand/scroll mastery.
spell power, repair skills require INT investment
Wiz has much more access to power than ever before.

Drow/Human Wizard PM looks much more appealing.

[Candela90]

Something that doesnt get -2CHA and has to choose between heal amp or repair amp and can actually maintain full benefit from being in stance... hence.. any other race.

For the most part WF is fine for levelling and TR lives, the endgame penalties are what screw WF...

WF can take poison/disease/stat damage that isnt repairable.. needs healing or restoration...
WF PRR still isnt right.
WF now have to chosse between repair amp and heal amp
Sorc's no longer have wand/scroll mastery.
spell power, repair skills require INT investment
Wiz has much more access to power than ever before.

Drow/Human Wizard PM looks much more appealing.

Well I am Drow Wizzard and you know what...
I can take poison/stat dmg in undead and need to leave form to use lesser resto - because it doesnt work on undeads.
I am more vulnerable to light dmg - which at least isnt bug like above.
To take scroll/wand mastery Id need to invest point into useless want DC.
If I get hit by DW I cant heal myself witout reentering form.
I cant wear absorption items bcs they eat my healing ...
I could be killed by my party members and in public.. Maybe I can be killed now too - Yeah its funny. First 3 times. Later rather not.
To heal myself I use neg. energy - Heal skill - which is not my class skill so I loose 20+ spellpower on skillpoints only to my healing - about the same sorcs lose about int/cha difference in spellcraft.
Neg. Burst is way worse than reconstruct.
Ah - and if bcs of some idiots or mobs causing stat dmg I need to leave form and reenter often not only I lose ton of sp - around 100sp one reenter, but also form has CD.. So Im left with no healing capability for some time. Yay...

At least we have better enhancements :P. But thats about it.

[jalont]

Something that doesnt get -2CHA and has to choose between heal amp or repair amp and can actually maintain full benefit from being in stance... hence.. any other race.

For the most part WF is fine for levelling and TR lives, the endgame penalties are what screw WF...

WF can take poison/disease/stat damage that isnt repairable.. needs healing or restoration...
WF PRR still isnt right.
WF now have to chosse between repair amp and heal amp
Sorc's no longer have wand/scroll mastery.
spell power, repair skills require INT investment
Wiz has much more access to power than ever before.

Drow/Human Wizard PM looks much more appealing.

This is absolutely false. A WF Shirdai Sorc went from being the gold standard endgame build to the second best endgame build behind a PM/AM Shiradi hybrid. What game are you playing?

[jalont]

.. Found this out the hard way,..All the forms screw WF over
The Devs decided to sneak in the nuance of conveting WF into fleshy form...

This is all very similar to the Pale Master... in form, cant repair... ??? isnt dead wood still wood... and yet a dead PM can still be poisoned...
Elemental's are immune to poison and dont breath... did those traits carry over to the Sorc... no...

All this was is some back door method for the Dev's to further penalize WF Sorc's.
the +20 LR doesnt address the screwover to WF and allow race changes...

Complaining about "further nerfs" to the most stunningly OP combination in the game is a tad bit silly.

[kned225]

the most stunningly OP combination in the game

Not to derail, but this is outdated. There are plenty of strong builds out there nowadays that include excellent self-healing

[jalont]

Not to derail, but this is outdated. There are plenty of strong builds out there nowadays that include excellent self-healing

And none of them level as quickly as a WF sorc and none of them are a Shiradi Sorc. There are plenty of viable and strong builds. None of them equal the power of a WF sorc in endgame or while leveling, save a PM/AM hybrid in Shiradi, but that was due to a massive buff, not a nerf to WF sorcs.