New enhancement system made Elven Dragonmarks worse

[ValidorKanston]

old feat system:
Lesser Dragonmark: Displacement
Greater Dragonmark: Shadow Walk

new enhancement system:
Lesser Dragonmark: Shadow Walk
Greater Dragonmark: Displacement

With the new enhancement system that reverses the order of the abilities, Displacement costs 5 AP more as a Greater Dragonmark and has less uses per rest. The new enhancements provide less capability. Please change it back to match the order that was granted by the feat system.

[Flavilandile]

Also, and that's global to all the dragonmarks, even if you take all the enhancements, you get less activations.

On my Halfling Cleric I had 6 Heal ( Greater Mark ) before, now I only have 4.

( I won't even go on the 7 Displacement that weren't self that changed to 4 Self only on the Elves )

[psykopeta]

old feat system:
Lesser Dragonmark: Displacement
Greater Dragonmark: Shadow Walk

new enhancement system:
Lesser Dragonmark: Shadow Walk
Greater Dragonmark: Displacement

With the new enhancement system that reverses the order of the abilities, Displacement costs 5 AP more as a Greater Dragonmark and has less uses per rest. The new enhancements provide less capability. Please change it back to match the order that was granted by the feat system.

before u needed to spend 2 feats, now only need to spend ap

feats>ap

[Cernunan]

before u needed to spend 2 feats, now only need to spend ap

feats>ap

My 3 main characters have been exclusively elven every life now for 6 years. I would gladly go back to paying an extra feat to get back the other 2 uses per rest I have lost. They are the loss of 10+ minutes of usage at end game for those builds, where 2 of them will be for several more months.

[JOTMON]

before u needed to spend 2 feats, now only need to spend ap

feats>ap

12 of them... in the racial tree ... which makes them pretty expensive..
I cant ever see spending that many points into the racial tree's to get 3rd tier of any Dragonmark..
Too bad though some of the dragonmarks would have been interesting to play with.

[Soulfurnace]

My 3 main characters have been exclusively elven every life now for 6 years. I would gladly go back to paying an extra feat to get back the other 2 uses per rest I have lost. They are the loss of 10+ minutes of usage at end game for those builds, where 2 of them will be for several more months.

At endgame, just make displacement clickies if you aren't content with three less uses of displacement.

[jskinner937]

Completely disagree with this thread. I never invested in dragonmarks before, but finally see the value in elf because with the sacrifice of a single feat, I can invest a few AP in DMs and pick them up. Plus the elf tree overall is fairly cheap compared to other racial trees for what you get in return. Only thing I agree with is the fact that there should be another tier to improve the uses of DMs.

[ValidorKanston]

before u needed to spend 2 feats, now only need to spend ap

feats>ap

Actually, it’s 1 feat and 12 AP now. The rationale, though, does not justify changing Displacement from a Lesser Dragonmark to a Greater Dragonmark. I have never read that having Displacement as a Lesser Dragonmark was “too much”, so cannot understand why it was changed to a Greater Dragonmark when other races did not have similar changes. Humans, Halflings, Half-Elf, and Half-Orc have the same Lesser and Greater DM in the new enhancement system as the old feat system. Why was the order of the Elves Lesser and Greater DM abilities reversed?

This change provides the Elf race 1 less Displacement use as a Greater Dragonmark and it costs 5 AP more than a Lesser Dragonmark. Was it intentional and, if so, why or was it coded in the wrong order?

At endgame, just make displacement clickies if you aren't content with three less uses of displacement.

Yes, we have that option, but don’t think Elves should have to resort to this solution when other races weren’t similarly changed.

Also, and that's global to all the dragonmarks, even if you take all the enhancements, you get less activations.

Agreed. The Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus enhancement only offers 3 additional DM uses compared to the old Extra Dragonmark Use enhancement that offered up to 4 additional uses. Wish they would keep this ascept of the new system on par with the old, too, but this change is at least consistent across all races.

[mexico1910]

Actually, it’s 1 feat and 12 AP now.

It's 1 feat and 12 ap, vs. 3 feats and 10 AP cost (for the additional uses).

[Uska]

before u needed to spend 2 feats, now only need to spend ap

feats>ap

Even at the cost of feats I would rather have what we had.

[FuzzyDuck81]

I have extend on my dragonmarked elves so its not too bad, but would have preferred if they kept them the way they were before - 9 extended per rest (both those characters have the chimeras helm) that could also be used to buff other people was very useful.

[Flavilandile]

Even at the cost of feats I would rather have what we had.

Definitely : 9 Invisibility + 7 Displacements that could be cast on anybody + 5 Shadow Walk >>> 8 Invisibility + 6 Shadow Walk + 4 Displacements Self Only

[Dandonk]

Yeah, this is really annoying, losing number of uses while having to pay more AP. Yes, using less feats is nice, but still not a good trade.

[PrimalConcreteSledge]

Yeah, this is really annoying, losing number of uses while having to pay more AP. Yes, using less feats is nice, but still not a good trade.

You always had to pay for aditional dragonmark uses. And if you wanted them all, you had to pay 10ap. So 2 less feats for 2 ap and 1 less use... seams like a good trade to me... not to mention you get to choose some other stuff from the racial tree along the way...

EDIT:

As a solution to this problem i propose a new feat that adds 1 additional dragonmark use.

[Dandonk]

You always had to pay for aditional dragonmark uses. And if you wanted them all, you had to pay 10ap. So 2 less feats for 2 ap and 1 less use... seams like a good trade to me... not to mention you get to choose some other stuff from the racial tree along the way...

EDIT:

As a solution to this problem i propose a new feat that adds 1 additional dragonmark use.

The racial trees are generally overpriced. The AP are not worth the stuff you get from them. This is worse in the new system, with bonuses from investing in class trees.

Is it the end of the world? Of course not. But it's one of the things where I think the new enhancement pass could benefit from a little finetuning.

[Thrudh]

feats>ap

Not if you're a fighter... Wish we still had the choice.

[Thrudh]

My biggest problem with the Halfling healing marks is that they just don't scale up to epic.

They are mostly very useful in heroic content... but 4 heals isn't worth much in epic. I wish they would recharge over time like the mass heals of Unyielding Sentinals. I only keep the Halfling dragonmarks right now out of inertia.... because my guy has had them for 5-6 years and they used to be his defining feature.

[Dandonk]

They are mostly very useful in heroic content... but 4 heals isn't worth much in epic. I wish they would recharge over time like the mass heals of Unyielding Sentinals.

Recharging over time would be cool, I like that idea a lot.